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Cronky

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15 hours ago, Yorkie said:

 

They've also (and I realise this will be unpopular but imo it's definitely true) got more charisma in their little fingers than Howe does total. He's a likeable bloke and I have all the respect in the world for the way he carries himself, but I couldn't 'listen to him all day' in the same way I would the other two. I acknowledge though that his media style has contributed to his success so far, so it's not meant as a criticism in any way, shape or form; just a comparison. 

 

 

Keegan in particular was charismatic, but you've come close to saying that Eddie is a bit dull, which I think is unfair. In fact, he's quite funny, as is often seen during the pressers where his repartee with the journos is often full of humour. And with all due respect to the other two gentlemen, I think Eddie has the sort of wide ranging intelligence that would make him great company if one had the chance to spend an hour with him. 

 

Keegan's charisma enabled him to attract great players to the club, inspire the owners to invest and commit to his dream, and provide great excitement to the fans. His place in our history is secure, in that he changed the thinking and ambition of the club. But he had the faults of the charismatic too - a lack of interest in detail, an up and down temperament, and a tendency to use emotion rather than calculation in his decisions. Not faults that you'd lay at Eddie's door.

 

I think Eddie is almost anti-charismatic, shown in the way he puts himself at the back of team celebration photos. He sees his role as making others feel charismatic.

 

At 66, I should have grown out of hero-worship. But there you are. Can't help it.

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17 hours ago, STM said:

Basically called Sam Allardyce ridiculous. [emoji38]

 

:lol: Considering how diplomatic he is by default I had to do a double take because that is quite a dig by his very polite standards.

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2 hours ago, Cronky said:

 

Keegan in particular was charismatic, but you've come close to saying that Eddie is a bit dull, which I think is unfair. In fact, he's quite funny, as is often seen during the pressers where his repartee with the journos is often full of humour. And with all due respect to the other two gentlemen, I think Eddie has the sort of wide ranging intelligence that would make him great company if one had the chance to spend an hour with him. 

 

Keegan's charisma enabled him to attract great players to the club, inspire the owners to invest and commit to his dream, and provide great excitement to the fans. His place in our history is secure, in that he changed the thinking and ambition of the club. But he had the faults of the charismatic too - a lack of interest in detail, an up and down temperament, and a tendency to use emotion rather than calculation in his decisions. Not faults that you'd lay at Eddie's door.

 

I think Eddie is almost anti-charismatic, shown in the way he puts himself at the back of team celebration photos. He sees his role as making others feel charismatic.

 

At 66, I should have grown out of hero-worship. But there you are. Can't help it.

 

That's all fair enough; it's quite a subjective thing I suppose. Certainly agree wholeheartedly with the point about allowing others to demonstrate their own personalities.

 

I don't think he's dull, I just think Keegan and Robson were/are profoundly joyful to listen to; probably helped by their intrinsic love for the club/area which Howe couldn't possibly have. I do enjoy Howe's intensity and his earnest and professional demeanour remains the perfect antidote from the lasting horrors of Bruce.

 

I'm looking forward to the documentary tbf and seeing more of him in his natural environment. If you're doing them right, there's nothing candid about press conferences if you're a manager.

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18 hours ago, KaKa said:

Pardew had a fantastic set of players at his disposal and ultimately screwed it up in the end by being the moron he always is. 

 

There was nothing special about his setup or tactical approach, whatsoever. That season was all about great moments from Ben Arfa, Ba, Cisse and Cabaye.


All of whom played the best football of their career here, it must be said.

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Random thought that I just have to write down.

 

As soon as you apply any context to the debate about manager of the season, as opposed to just 'this guy won the league'.

 

Eddie is definitely the true winner. He has done it with this squad and from an awful position. The other contenders just don't even compare, winning the league with Man City oh wow, winning or coming second with an Arsenal team that's been decent for ages, meh.

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1 hour ago, BonesJones said:

Random thought that I just have to write down.

 

As soon as you apply any context to the debate about manager of the season, as opposed to just 'this guy won the league'.

 

Eddie is definitely the true winner. He has done it with this squad and from an awful position. The other contenders just don't even compare, winning the league with Man City oh wow, winning or coming second with an Arsenal team that's been decent for ages, meh.

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On 07/05/2023 at 00:45, Yorkie said:

Go back to the conclusion of 2011/12 and plenty of people, myself included, were saying Pardew was - at least - the best since Robson, even in spite of there being a general recognition that results often bettered the performances themselves, and he all but stumbled upon that formation which saw us hurtle towards a high finish. I'm sure very few on here were begrudging his Manager of the Year award at the time. 

 

I'm dangerously close to defending Pardew there; the point I'm taking too long to get to is that it's definitely incredibly premature to put Howe on a pedestal with Keegan, imo. He's had a sensational start and his trajectory indicates a very good chance of him surpassing the achievements of the very best in my lifetime, but he's not there yet. Keegan took us from oblivion to title challengers in about five minutes, meanwhile Bobby took a broken team and made them consistent European challengers - granted it took a couple full seasons.

 

They've also (and I realise this will be unpopular but imo it's definitely true) got more charisma in their little fingers than Howe does total. He's a likeable bloke and I have all the respect in the world for the way he carries himself, but I couldn't 'listen to him all day' in the same way I would the other two. I acknowledge though that his media style has contributed to his success so far, so it's not meant as a criticism in any way, shape or form; just a comparison. 

 

I love that he is our manager and feel optimistic that he's going to break our duck, and at that point he'll have pipped the others aforementioned. But until then...

Robson took quite a lot longer to turn the team round than Howe has - and if Howe qualified for the CL for me he’s surpassed him immediately.  Robson had a squad of (in relative terms) better players, and took two seasons - and a fair bit of cash - to get them above mid table.  NUFC were already one of the richest clubs in world football when he took over, and there wasn’t a gamut of rich and powerful clubs to get past at that time.  Robson was clearly more charismatic than Howe, but that isn’t too important for me. 

 

I enjoyed Robson’s time here, but unlike Keegan - who truly did perform something of a miracle - he just did a very good job for most of it.  I still find the presence of his statue a bit puzzling tbh.

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Just now, huss9 said:

i reckon this team is better. SBR didnt have a great defence. other than a season of Woodgate, he had a squad of average defenders at best.

This is definitely a better side - Robson’s centre halves weren’t great.  Remember when he paid ten times as much for Bramble as Arsenal did for Toure in 2002?  I do. 

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TheBrownBottle

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Given, Dyer, Solano, Speed, Shearer were all already at the club and first teamers when Robson arrived.  The transformational signings were Robert and Bellamy - they completely changed how we played, suddenly we could stretch teams on the flanks, and Bellamy and Dyer supplied pace almost as inside forwards, freeing up room from a massively slowed-down Shearer.  With Speed in there too, we often had six players capable of scoring goals in attack - we steamrolled a lot of teams. 

 

We did though spend an awful lot of money on mediocre players, or at least players who were unlucky with injuries.  Woodgate made our very average back line look temporarily good - he was an unbelievable centre half, still unmatched in B&W for me.  

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1 minute ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Given, Dyer, Solano, Speed, Shearer were all already at the club and first teamers when Robson arrived.  The transformational signings were Robert and Bellamy - they completely changed how we played, suddenly we could stretch teams on the flanks, and Bellamy and Dyer supplied pace almost as inside forwards, freeing up room from a massively slowed-down Shearer.  With Speed in there too, we often had six players capable of scoring goals in attack - we steamrolled a lot of teams. 

 

We did though spend an awful lot of money on mediocre players, or at least players who were unlucky with injuries.  Woodgate made our very average back line look temporarily good - he was an unbelievable centre half, still unmatched in B&W for me.  

 

I could swear our first choices in those positions that summer were Zenden and Jeffers, thank fuck we got those two instead

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1 minute ago, LionOfGosforth said:

 

I could swear our first choices in those positions that summer were Zenden and Jeffers, thank fuck we got those two instead

 

Felt like we were linked with Zenden for what seemed like forever. Him and Boa Morte.

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TheBrownBottle

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4 minutes ago, LionOfGosforth said:

 

I could swear our first choices in those positions that summer were Zenden and Jeffers, thank fuck we got those two instead

They definitely were :) 

 

Zenden was a good footballer tbf - though not in Robert’s class for me.  Franny Jeffers … not so much

 

There’s a couple of those moments in our history.  What happens if Keegan signs John Salako as planned in summer ‘95 - and isn’t forced to turn PSG’s left sided forward when he heads to Coventry instead?

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football-salako-dismisses-newcastle-as-a-move-too-far-1587765.html

 

 

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Just now, TheBrownBottle said:

They definitely were :) 

 

Zenden was a good footballer tbf - though not in Robert’s class for me.  Franny Jeffers … not so much

 

There’s a couple of those moments in our history.  What happens if Keegan signs John Solako as planned in summer ‘95 - and isn’t forced to turn PSG’s left sided forward when he heads to Coventry instead?

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football-salako-dismisses-newcastle-as-a-move-too-far-1587765.html

 

Zenden was fairly decent for Chelsea if memory serves, though not in Robert's class. Jeffers was just shit and a right cunt to boot. 

 

The Solako thing, I had totally forgotten that happened, think he signed for Coventry instead and played against us opening day. Ginola was fucking incredible that day as well :lol:

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11 minutes ago, LionOfGosforth said:

 

Zenden was fairly decent for Chelsea if memory serves, though not in Robert's class. Jeffers was just shit and a right cunt to boot. 

 

The Solako thing, I had totally forgotten that happened, think he signed for Coventry instead and played against us opening day. Ginola was fucking incredible that day as well :lol:

Haha yep, the fixture list is fun like that sometimes.  Thirty-odd thousand collectively thinking ‘narrow miss that’ when Daveeed first picked up the ball. 

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