Eddie Howe

[Andy]

4 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

I’ve lost a lot of faith in Howe this season.  
 

 

 

I think Howe has lost a lot of faith in Howe this season too, based on some of his decisions and his general demeanor. 

[Robster]

Hope he's going to have a holiday and break.

[magorific]

1 hour ago, andycap said:

He didn't say that though he mentioned the transfers we bought in was the major factor of our form improving. 

He didn’t say that?

 

“There was a comment about being destined for relegation but Howe saved us - sorry that’s garbage…”

 

 

[duo]

Hopkinsons for me is a yes man - just says what he thinks the Saudis want to hear. We are a million miles away from challenging for the league 

 

 

Edited May 25 by duo

[Menace]

Saudis bought us for £300M or so, spent around £750M on players, recouped around £300M on players sold = £750M or so from some very basic napkin maths. Without factoring in training ground expenditure/stadium/facilities etc

 

Considering we are being valued at around £1.5B should the Times article be of any substance - its basically job well done in that department from their POV.

 

Us being "number one" and "the best by 2030" are just PR hear say. Hope to be proven wrong of course.

[Collage]

35 minutes ago, Virtua Stiva said:

There’s really no guarantee Iraola walks straight into a new job. If he’s smart, he’ll wait a few months into the season to see how things go elsewhere i.e. here and he’ll still be in high demand 

Usually you want the pre-season and transfer window though. Especially if you're a manager who wants to play a certain style of football like Iraola.

[Jackie Broon]

1 minute ago, Menace said:

Saudis bought us for £300M or so, spent around £750M on players, recouped around £300M on players sold = £750M or so from some very basic napkin maths. Without factoring in training ground expenditure/stadium/facilities etc

 

Considering we are being valued at around £1.5B should the Times article be of any substance - its basically job well done in that department from their POV.

 

Us being "number one" and "the best by 2030" are just PR hear say. Hope to be proven wrong of course.

 

That's not the right maths. They bought the club for £305m, since then they have put in £558.3m by issuing and buying shares and £172m by buying the St. James Park lease = £1bn

 

That's not counting other undisclosed stuff like the cost of related party sponsorships.

 

1.5bn is reportedly what they value the club's shares at in seeking to sell a stake in the club. If that is even true, it is likely that is inflated, unrealistic or a negotiating position, it is very unlikely that it reflects what our true value is. Forbes value us at £800m.

 

 

[Cronky]

Bloody hell, guys. One crap season and Eddie is second-rate and the owners are only it for the money.

 

My take on it is that the players are not actually that good, and Eddie has overachieved with them. This season, there have been other pressures which have brought us down - principally the relentless fixture list, the quality of the opposition in the Premier League, the disruption caused by Isak's exit, the recruitment issues with no DOF and CEO, and not least the absence of Bruno at a crucial stage. We have been very lucky with him. He has barely missed a game since he arrived. He is a very important player and we felt his absence acutely.

 

Saying that Eddie is in the last-chance saloon is not a well-considered appraisal of his record or ability. It is a knee-jerk reaction to a disappointing season.

[Zero]

7 minutes ago, Cronky said:

Bloody hell, guys. One crap season and Eddie is second-rate and the owners are only it for the money.

 

My take on it is that the players are not actually that good, and Eddie has overachieved with them. This season, there have been other pressures which have brought us down - principally the relentless fixture list, the quality of the opposition in the Premier League, the disruption caused by Isak's exit, the recruitment issues with no DOF and CEO, and not least the absence of Bruno at a crucial stage. We have been very lucky with him. He has barely missed a game since he arrived. He is a very important player and we felt his absence acutely.

 

Saying that Eddie is in the last-chance saloon is not a well-considered appraisal of his record or ability. It is a knee-jerk reaction to a disappointing season.

…I ain’t totally disagree with your word but, the last-chance saloon does catch my eyes. I mean, it surely has to be his last chance here right? If we keep on like this we are going to fight against relegation next season.

[Dokko]

I can't get excited for the summer and next season with him still in charge. Just hoping we sign enough quality and options so it makes it impossible to repeat this season. 

 

New manager lifts the club, the fans and the players. It's all very stale and I can't see him turning that around when he is a huge part of that problem.

 

 

[Mattoon]

The revisionism in here gets worse with every passing day, so now Howe is not responsible for saving us from relegation? Give me strength. Not to mention the same old tired clichés about Howe players ruining our summer, go back and look at who we targeted initially, the only error was lack of mitigation when we got down to our 3rd, 4th and 5th choices in an unfamiliar role.

 

Anyone that doesnt see that there have been far more deep seated issues for a good year than the manager himself is being willfully ignorant because they've hoyed their toys out of the pram after a miserable season.

 

As always, I will add the caveat that I don't think Howe has helped himself with some of his choices this season, but the whole reason he is getting more time at the club is because those within it's 4 walls and privy to information you don't have, understand that Howe is only a very small part of what went wrong this season and was on a hiding to nowhere from the start.

 

I'd suggest, for the sake of your own blood pressure and the dry walls in your house, that you accept the fact he's got another crack at the whip and put your pitch forks away until at least Christmas, you'll be much happier.

[TRC]

1 minute ago, Dokko said:

I can't get excited for the summer and next season with him still in charge. Just hoping we sign enough quality and options so it makes it impossible to repeat this season. 

 

New manager lifts the club, the fans and the players. It's all very stale and I can't see him turning that around when he is a huge part of that problem.

 

 

Same, I’ll be pretty disappointed if he stays and he goes back to the intense press way of playing. Game has moved on, I want to see new ideas

[Newcastle Fan]

1 hour ago, duo said:

Hopkinsons for me is a yes man - just says what he thinks the Saudis want to hear. We are a million miles away from challenging for the league 

 

 

 

 

He's as canadian as you can get, just wants to please everyone.

[Mole]

12 minutes ago, Newcastle Fan said:

 

He's as canadian as you can get, just wants to please everyone.

No offence, but if that was actually true he wouldn't have had the success he's had in other places.

 

People pleasers like that don't really survive at the level of business, in general I think a lot of you are reading far too much into his words.

 

Like when Eddie speaks to the press, it's largely meaningless. Talking to the media is largely a game you play and like all games it isn't real and I personally wouldn't pay attention to a word that comes out of anyone's mouth at the club.

 

I certainly wouldn't try to apply those words to any sort of analysis of his ability to the job in any way. They're telling the fans what they want them to hear and playing the game, but that doesn't mean that's what they are doing behind closed doors.

[Stuy_O]

2 hours ago, r0cafella said:

I think he's sucking his thumb and doing what he's told. 

 
Correct imo. I think Hopkinson would sack him tomorrow, but Howe has Yasir wrapped round his little finger, and Yasir couldn’t give a fuck 

[Mikky]

We won 4 away matches this season in the league - that’s a major concern - Everton A was probably our best performance? Albeit a 45 min performance 

 

Theres literally no plan away from home - we can’t seem to build attacks - can’t seem to defend either - absolute powder puff at times - what can he possibly do to address this? I haven’t seen anything to encourage me

[The College Dropout]

1 hour ago, andycap said:

You okay lad? 😂 

Normally you like a good paragraph or two. 

 I’ll drop the paragraphs on company time. 
 

I don’t know where I stand with Howe tbh.  

[The College Dropout]

1 hour ago, duo said:

Hopkinsons for me is a yes man - just says what he thinks the Saudis want to hear. We are a million miles away from challenging for the league 

 

 

 

Yep. This is the bigger problem for me. 
 

but I’m starting to think Howe is a genuine problem too. 2 months ago I didnt think that was the case.  

[The Bonk]

41 minutes ago, Newcastle Fan said:

 

He's as canadian as you can get, just wants to please everyone.

I can’t even take offence to this.

[Mole]

3 minutes ago, The Bonk said:

I can’t even take offence to this.

I just defended your man, least you can do is drop an f bomb or two.

[The College Dropout]

My biggest issue with Howe is a lack of evolution in his thinking over the years.  
 

Like every year I see a slight pivot in Arteta. 
 

I don’t see that with Howe. 
 

The consistent one is the lack of playing football. 

[STM]

People said Howe was a problem at the start of the season we finished 4th, I remember specifically people whinging because we drew 0-0 at home to Palace. People said Howe was the problem when we finished 7th, despite getting back into the CL the following season and winning our first domestic trophy in 70 years.

 

If we havent improved visibly, and im not talking about results but our general play, then Howe will be gone pretty swiftly into the new season.

 

The revisionism isn't required though. Hes an outstanding manager, an outstanding person and if he does go he will go with nothing but respect. That also doesnt mean to say that it can't ultimately the right thing for us and Howe to part ways too. Sometimes change is just needed.

 

What worries me most are those that are so desperate for an Iraola or a Fabregas but one wrong word, one bad signing or god forbid they dont pick the team some want and they will be called worse than shit too.

 

Weve had managers like Souness and Gullit whom very quickly decided that they knew best because of their glittering playing careers or managers like Bruce or Pardew persistently dampened expectations of the fans, merely to protect themselves for producing shite football.

 

Im not saying they arent better options than Howe, that's open for discussion but tread very carefully because its astonishing how quickly things can get worse.... even than the season we have had.

 

What I sincerely hope is that the people who run our club have a contingency plan or a direction of travel should Howe go. We cant afford another "recruitment process". 

[Mikky]

9 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

My biggest issue with Howe is a lack of evolution in his thinking over the years.  
 

Like every year I see a slight pivot in Arteta. 
 

I don’t see that with Howe. 
 

The consistent one is the lack of playing football. 

We play zero football TCD - away from home i have no idea what we are doing or what the game plan is - it’s as if everything is slowed down in order for a simple pass to be made - it’s slow and ponderous 

 

His team selections don’t help either - we seem to change personnel and formation every game post the break - you can’t build any consistency with that 

[STM]

10 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

My biggest issue with Howe is a lack of evolution in his thinking over the years.  
 

Like every year I see a slight pivot in Arteta. 
 

I don’t see that with Howe. 
 

The consistent one is the lack of playing football. 

 

Quite easy to pivot when you are given the keys to the kingdom mind. I know Arteta has just won the league and deserves his credit, but let's not pretend like Arteta is some great manager. Hes not. Its taken him a long time, with alot of money and resources and hes still won it with one of the most boring sides ever to win the league.

[Maggies]

31 minutes ago, Mikky said:

We won 4 away matches this season in the league - that’s a major concern - Everton A was probably our best performance? Albeit a 45 min performance 

 

Theres literally no plan away from home - we can’t seem to build attacks - can’t seem to defend either - absolute powder puff at times - what can he possibly do to address this? I haven’t seen anything to encourage me

Let’s hope for an easy fixture list to start the season - particularly away from home. The pressure is going to be immense to make a decent start and see immediate improvements.