Teasy Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, Rich said: No fan of Edwards, but he's summed things up well there. Still doesn't mean everything is bad forever, though. I think people just need to step back and realise that its not just going to be a fairy tale now just because Ashley's gone. There will be mistakes, especially until a good structure is in place. But I'm sure it'll get there because at the end of the day these people actually want success. At the very worst I know what I want is now in line with what the people at the top want. Unlike under Ashley, all he wanted was to keep the club just above water. Didn't want relegation for obvious reasons but didn't want to do any better because he didn't want expectations raised. I'll take mistakes with the intent of improvement and ambition over deliberate managed under performance any day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 Protracted new manager searches almost always end up looking farcical, the same thing happened to Spurs and Everton in the summer. I think Palace had Nuno and Favre wrapped up as well until they didn’t. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Wolfcastle said: Amount of time this has all took whilst where knee deep in the relegation zone is my biggest bone of contention. I find it difficult to be too critical without any knowledge of what's been going on behind the scenes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Teasy said: I think people just need to step back and realise that its not just going to be a fairy tale now just because Ashley's gone. There will be mistakes, especially until a good structure is in place. But I'm sure it'll get there because at the end of the day these people actually want success. At the very worst I know what I want is now in line with what the people at the top want. Unlike under Ashley, all he wanted was to keep the club just above water. Didn't want relegation for obvious reasons but didn't want to do any better because he didn't want expectations raised. I'll take mistakes with the intent of improvement and ambition over deliberate managed under performance any day. Yep. This post needs pinning to wherever Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 Sounds like he's completely used us as a bargaining tool to get more money to spend at Villarreal/a new contract. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 I'd have taken Howe under Ashley in a heartbeat. Under new owners, probably not, but I'd still take him. Take it Fonseca and Favre are out the equation then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, Teasy said: I think people just need to step back and realise that its not just going to be a fairy tale now just because Ashley's gone. There will be mistakes, especially until a good structure is in place. But I'm sure it'll get there because at the end of the day these people actually want success. At the very worst I know what I want is now in line with what the people at the top want. Unlike under Ashley, all he wanted was to keep the club just above water. Didn't want relegation for obvious reasons but didn't want to do any better because he didn't want expectations raised. I'll take mistakes with the intent of improvement and ambition over deliberate managed under performance any day. Good post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 The worst thing with the last 24 hours is it’s going to be hard for anyone who comes in now to use what is usually a feel good factor off new manager. They and we all know they weren’t first choice and if it is Howe or Martinez I would be shocked if they saw the season out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
worthy Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 13 minutes ago, Dokko said: Christ I agree with puke boy. Mind no need to dig Staveley out personally, the whole consortium have been involved Even a busted clock is right two times etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 What an absolutely farcical start for the new regime. Keeping Charnley on and letting him do the negotiations ffs . Of course Emery thinks we have no vision or project. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 (edited) Think its incredible anyone thinks this is business as usual BTW.. Business as usual would be Bruce still here and talk of weather St Maximin will stay or not and if we might loan a reserve from Leeds as his replacement. Not about how we made a mistake in our attempt to bring in a top manager like Emery Edited November 3, 2021 by Teasy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 12 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said: This has just been a total shitshow. Whoever is leaking stories needs to fuck off. April/May 2020 - "Its gonna go through, no red flags." It didn't go through. October 2021 - "We're gonna sack Bruce." They didn't, left him for one more embarrassing defeat to a shit Spurs team. Then again, Jones would probably have done no better. November 2021 - "Emery is #1 choice and he's agreed to come, be in for Brighton on Saturday." Day later he stays at Villarreal. What a fucking joke. All from sources close to the consortium… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 Just now, Smal said: What an absolutely farcical start for the new regime. Keeping Charnley on and letting him do the negotiations ffs . Of course Emery thinks we have no vision or project. Legit question - who else? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfcastle Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, The Prophet said: I find it difficult to be too critical without any knowledge of what's been going on behind the scenes. Cant say fairer than that. However what is for sure is that we've squandered a month and games we can ill afford to waste in our position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 Just now, The College Dropout said: Legit question - who else? Well considering PCP have known they're going to takeover a football club for years I think it's pretty fucked that they had nobody ready to replace Lee fucking Charnley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicane Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 Gotta say I'm so sick of hearing about what a nice guy manager x,y, z is It's so fucking totally irrelevant. Nowhere in the job description for being a good football manager does it say "needs to be a nice guy" We're gonna be hearing it endlessly with Howe too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 Long-term we'll spend enough money to be a fun side again trying to win things - great. But this poor outing could delay everything 18 months with a relegation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 Charnley would struggle to recruit for McDonalds staff. If he was involved then no surprise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 9 minutes ago, The Bonk said: She's the Director, of course it does. I've got no issue with Emery rejecting us, it's the way it's been played out in the press looking like amateur hour. Haven't really got an issue it leaking to the press. It's far more worrying that Martinez and Howe are (seemingly) their second choice options. Press leakage happens all the time at all clubs. Just look at Spurs in the summer for example, we had new stories every day about who was going to take over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 I'd have preferred Emery given the situation we're in but I've said before that I think the disrespect Howe gets is appalling. In any other country in Europe, a manager who took a club from bottom of the fourth tier to the top flight would have some of the biggest clubs in the land fighting over him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 If we hire Howe, the media coverage once we sack him will be worse than Bruce. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Chicane said: Gotta say I'm so sick of hearing about what a nice guy manager x,y, z is It's so fucking totally irrelevant. Nowhere in the job description for being a good football manager does it say "needs to be a nice guy" We're gonna be hearing it endlessly with Howe too I don't necessarily think so. Howe isn't a PFM. I'd take him, give him an 18 month contract: keep us up this season (?) and stabilise us next season, his stock is higher, everyone's a winner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Smal said: Well considering PCP have known they're going to takeover a football club for years I think it's pretty fucked that they had nobody ready to replace Lee fucking Charnley Fully agree and that's my biggest issue. It's clear they had no decent plans from the start. They should have identified key footballing people before they bought the club to bring in for day 1. Or at least temporary football people.. even if it was bringing in Harry Redknapp as DOF, Terry as Lampard as manager and his dog as chief negotiator. It's a plan with good intentions and some level of joined up thinking. As it is.. I understand why Charnley is doing it though. Edited November 3, 2021 by The College Dropout Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 Just now, Wullie said: I'd have preferred Emery given the situation we're in but I've said before that I think the disrespect Howe gets is appalling. In any other country in Europe, a manager who took a club from bottom of the fifth tier to the top flight would have some of the biggest clubs in the land fighting over him. Everyone must be wrong then? Or there are massive question marks over him and he needs another job to prove his credentials. I really don't want it to be us to find out my hunch was right. I'd rather see him have another role and let someone else take that gamble. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 6 minutes ago, HTT II said: All from sources close to the consortium… According to the journos that is, I don’t believe a word any of media says or prints or writes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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