Eddie Howe

[WillingtonMag]

The players aren't good enough is all that has to be said, absolutely pathetic blaming Howe or questioning him already. Our midfield is absolute shite. 

[Fantail Breeze]

3 minutes ago, Minhosa said:

I'm not digging him out btw. I like him and he seems to 'get it', I'm just seeing nothing in four games of football to give me much hope that he can keep us up.

 

He’s trying to implement a style of football that we just do not have the players to play.

 

It’ll never work.

[GWN]

5 minutes ago, joeyt said:

 

you're in the Other Games thread criticising Rafa's decisions and then saying people shouldn;t be criticising Howe in here

 

Rsfa has turned a decent team into shite , however I take on your point 

[Minhosa]

2 minutes ago, WillingtonMag said:

The players aren't good enough is all that has to be said, absolutely pathetic blaming Howe or questioning him already. Our midfield is absolute shite. 

Rafa had most of them getting us to 10th.

 

They're poor but they're not so bad that you can't coach them into an effective system.

[Menace]

I'm genuinely confused how a person is telling guys on a football forum not to criticise a manager?

[Vinny Green Balls]

2 minutes ago, Menace said:

I'm genuinely confused how a person is telling guys on a football forum not to criticise a manager?

You're confusing criticizing with just being a relentless knob.

[Heron]

16 minutes ago, Minhosa said:

 

A high press and yet we didn't create one good chance, didn't dominate possession in their half and managed on 3 first half attempts. I wouldn't consider that in any way effective.

 

No question, the pen didn't help but they completely downed tools on a new manager and that's a huge concern imho.

 

Genuinely, I cannot see that he's made much impact yet tbh. Aye Joelinton is playing better but he's not gonna keep us up. A top manager (imho) would've implemented a style and/or system by now even if those players trying to implement it are shit.

 

I honestly cannot see what the fuck he's trying to get them to do.

 

 

 

High presses don't necessarily equate to chances though, it's a style of defence rather than offence?

 

What I do have concerns about is our strategy with regards to attacking, that's something that seems unidentifiable at present. However, I think we're also underestimating the terrible state the club was left in. We need a pre season, mid season. They've had to get the fundamentals of fitness sorted before they can even focus on strategy. Personally, I can see improvements, I think Joelinton and Shelvey have noticably improved, fitness has improved, the players generally look more comfortable on the ball and there seems to be better belief and application, albeit not enough yet. Confidence is really low and Howe should have protected that at 2-0 down instead of chasing it imo. I don't think anyone is downing tools on Howe though and nor do I think a top class manager would have completely introduced a new strategy yet though.

 

 

Edited December 12, 2021 by Heron

[MarkyMark]

1 minute ago, Menace said:

I'm genuinely confused how a person is telling guys on a football forum not to criticise a manager?

It’s the age old confusion of ‘get behind the lads’ not applying when they’re not actually there to hear it.  As if it actually matters away from the ground (and I’m not convinced it matters at the ground - if support counts towards success, does that mean our support has been shite for 50 years?)

[KaKa]

14 minutes ago, Minhosa said:

I'm not digging him out btw. I like him and he seems to 'get it', I'm just seeing nothing in four games of football to give me much hope that he can keep us up.

 

Key bit in there is 4 games of football.

[AJ9]

Really like Eddie Howe, but my reservation was that I don’t think he’s necessarily what we needed right now (in terms of survival). Too early to say maybe, but I haven’t seen that much to change my opinion yet.

[Minhosa]

2 minutes ago, Heron said:

High presses don't necessarily equate to chances though, it's a style of defence rather than offence?

 

What I do have concerns about is our strategy with regards to attacking, that's something that seems unidentifiable at present. However, I think we're also underestimating the terrible state the club was left in. We need a pre season, mid season. They've had to get the fundamentals of fitness sorted before they can even focus on strategy. Personally, I can see improvements, I think Joelinton and Shelvey have noticably improved, fitness has improved, the players generally look more comfortable on the ball and there seems to be better belief and application, albeit not enough yet. Confidence is really low and Howe should have protected that at 2-0 down instead of chasing it imo. I don't think anyone is downing tools on Howe though and nor do I think a top class manager would have completely introduced a new strategy yet though.

 

 

 

Rafa did after he took the job and, given an extra three games, would've kept us up.

 

As for high pressing, they should be winning possession further up the pitch, ergo it should lead to more possession or chances in their half.

[The Prophet]

I still think the squad is capable of finishing lower midtable and has done for a number of seasons. Its just a squad that's been chronically miscoached for a number of years. Howe isn't going to fix this in a few weeks. There have been promising signs, but we are still going to put in poor performances.

 

That doesn't mean Howe is incapable of bad decisions or poor management, but its very difficult to get a good grasp of his work after a handful of games.

 

 

 

Edited December 12, 2021 by The Prophet

[WillingtonMag]

12 minutes ago, Minhosa said:

Rafa had most of them getting us to 10th.

 

They're poor but they're not so bad that you can't coach them into an effective system.

What a load of shite man that was 3 seasons ago now, players get worse and the league improves

[KaKa]

2 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

I still think the squad is capable of finishing midtable and has done for a number of seasons. Its just a squad that's been chronically miscoached for a number of years. Howe isn't going to fix this in a few weeks. There have been promising signs, but we are still going to put in poor performances.

 

That doesn't mean Howe is incapable of bad decisions or poor management, but its very difficult to get a good grasp of his work after a handful of games.

 

 

Yes, absolutely. Very well put 

 

 

[Heron]

3 minutes ago, Minhosa said:

Rafa did after he took the job and, given an extra three games, would've kept us up.

 

As for high pressing, they should be winning possession further up the pitch, ergo it should lead to more possession or chances in their half.

I think we were in a lot better position when Rafa took over tbh and I love Rafa like. He had better and fitter players at his disposal, but less time. 

 

As for the second point, that's fair, but in the first half whilst we didn't necessarily create clear chances, there were shakey moments where we almost capitalised. 

[GWN]

Wait till we play Man C and Liverpool, urgh 

[Holloway]

31 minutes ago, GWN said:

 

Every fucker on here in a PL manager all of a sudden , maybe 19 other teams are just better than us ? These are NOT his players , they were shot to shit . He came in and has improved wee bits but these are utter shite players in the main . In hindsight we maybe should have a better midfielder in there but who do you suggest ? Hayden has been shite , Hendrick is shite , that team sent out today looked good on paper against an on paper average Leicester, yet still a much better Leicester than us .

 

His options are horrific until January, always have been and believe me we are going to look a lot worse in the next 2 weeks .

 

I trust a young , modern , hungry EH over anyone on here’s opinion .

whilst I agree to much of this I was just slightly bewildered at the numbness of that performance, they were stumbling around.After the recent feelgood factor too

[TRon]

32 minutes ago, Minhosa said:

 

A high press and yet we didn't create one good chance, didn't dominate possession in their half and managed on 3 first half attempts. I wouldn't consider that in any way effective.

 

No question, the pen didn't help but they completely downed tools on a new manager and that's a huge concern imho.

 

Genuinely, I cannot see that he's made much impact yet tbh. Aye Joelinton is playing better but he's not gonna keep us up. A top manager (imho) would've implemented a style and/or system by now even if those players trying to implement it are shit.

 

I honestly cannot see what the fuck he's trying to get them to do.

 

 

 

 

He's not a miracle worker tbf, he's obviously got a preferred front foot style, but it will be difficult to get a tune out of this lot playing attacking football. Rafa tried it and it was disastrous then as well. I guess we'll find out over the next few weeks if Howe has a plan B, because he's got to change either his team or his tactics on today's evidence. 

[clintdempsey]

Howe’s taken on a monumental task. We’re probably in even more of a shitty state than we were when Rafa came in to be honest. And for all the good he did back then (I loved Rafa’s time at Newcastle) he took a while to get going as well. A few games into his tenure we shipped 3 goals at both Southampton and Norwich before getting his first win against Swansea at the fifth attempt. The “shut up shop” games were few and far between back then (even though we had some good results the last few games that season).

 

It wasn’t really until we got back up again after he got the chance to build a team in the Championship (yeah I know but that first summer window wasn’t too bad considering) and drill them to his liking that we started to see the super calculated defensive performances.

 

So a pre-season, a Championship season and another pre-season.

 

Howe’s had 5 games after our worst start ever to a Premier League season. The squad is shit in most positions (that will hopefully change somewhat in January), we’ve been even more chronically mismanaged since Rafa left and the moral has been at an all time low I assume. It will take time but I’m certain that Howe will get us safe this season by doing things his way. These coming games will be a tad painful though most certainly but we’ll get there. I love that he is positive and that he seems to ‘get it’ and in time that will tell in both performances and results. 

 

 

Edited December 12, 2021 by clintdempsey

[Awaymag]

5 minutes ago, GWN said:

Wait till we play Man C and Liverpool, urgh 

Im going to avoid this place until the new year......it will be suicidal in here by boxing day.   Have a great Xmas all and see you in 2022....hope its better than this shite year!

 

 

Edited December 12, 2021 by Awaymag

[Jackie Broon]

21 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:

 

He’s trying to implement a style of football that we just do not have the players to play.

 

It’ll never work.

 

This. He need to set the team up to get the best out of what he has at the moment, it's blindingly obvious that we need more bodies in central midfield, we just don't the quality of players to get away without any defensive cover in midfield.

[hakka]

51 minutes ago, alijmitchell said:

Really like Eddie Howe, but my reservation was that I don’t think he’s necessarily what we needed right now (in terms of survival). Too early to say maybe, but I haven’t seen that much to change my opinion yet.

 

This is what I'm worried about now. I think I felt a bit of it after we lost out on Emerey and Howe was next in line, but was also disappointed how Emerey was on then gone. I'm not going to say we should get a manager who knows how to battle relegations, and maybe Emerey would have delivered same or worse, but maybe one that has track record of improving the defence. It's annoying as Howe ticks many boxes and I love his attacking philosophy, but I have a worry if he is right man at the wrong time. He will have to change things now. I love how more fit and intense are players are, something is getting better, but we are not playing an attacking system that makes sense in the final third. Passing isn't quick enough, goes back to keeper too much, we ignore overlap runners a lot. We need to be more bold and link up quicker and faster. Today could be just a bad day at the office all round, but felt we caved against Leicester and didn't have a plan to unlock them. 

 

Will continue to trust Howe. Maybe a shock win a against a big side will make up for it.

[GWN]

5 minutes ago, ManDoon said:

Today was the most worried about Howe I’ve been. There’s been a lot of good stuff in other games but this was straight up horrible 

 

To be fair mate he’s young, learning , coming off managing fuking Bournemouth man not Barcelona .It’s hardly right to lay ANY of this at his door . 
However he will make mistakes, a lot of good managers do , he isn’t a miracle worker . Modern day managers are gifted no time , I think EH will be given in it from most of us . 

[Guest neesy111]

He's not young from a managerial perspective.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 hour ago, neesy111 said:

He's not young from a managerial perspective.

How do you mean?