TRon Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Just now, STM said: Tarkowski would drastically improve our defence. It's also not an either/or situation. We need multiple players in multiple positions. What does Tarkowski bring then? He seems like a big strong lad, but is he the sort you would want to spend a boatload of money on? I read somewhere that he's not so good at bringing the ball out, so he must be one hell of a defender to compensate for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beth Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, TRon said: What does Tarkowski bring then? He seems like a big strong lad, but is he the sort you would want to spend a boatload of money on? I read somewhere that he's not so good at bringing the ball out, so he must be one hell of a defender to compensate for that. He brings the fact that he's better than any of our current CBs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, TRon said: What does Tarkowski bring then? He seems like a big strong lad, but is he the sort you would want to spend a boatload of money on? I read somewhere that he's not so good at bringing the ball out, so he must be one hell of a defender to compensate for that. He's incredible in the air, and rarely out of position. I'm not convinced he's a "Howe" defender at all though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Not sure I’d have Ben Mee but Tarkowski is a huge upgrade. Get him as the dominant right-sided centre back and Ake in as the ball playing left-sided one and we’d have a pair that could take us up a couple of tiers in the league (around 7th-9th). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 12 minutes ago, STM said: John Stones is one we should be hoying money at. Big loan fee, followed by a summer move. I don't want us to dwell on any target mind. If clubs start playing silly buggers, move on. No chance Man City are letting him go in January. Be surprised if they even got rid of Ake never mind Stones Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, Beth said: He brings the fact that he's better than any of our current CBs. There's probably quite a few out there tbf. But I was thinking more along the lines of what qualities Howe would be looking for, as hinted by @Shearergol I haven't seen that much of Burnley's games that's why I'm asking. He seems to have been linked with us ever since the takeover was announced, was not sure if that was because we really want him, or because his contract is running down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Tyrone Mings would be great. He’d probably move too if Villa accepted an offer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, Dr Jinx said: Tyrone Mings would be great. He’d probably move too if Villa accepted an offer. I doubt they'd accept it would they? He's kinda their key defender now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Yeah, I can't see Villa appointing Gerrard, then selling Mings to us somehow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiago Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 10 minutes ago, Dr Jinx said: Tyrone Mings would be great. He’d probably move too if Villa accepted an offer. No thanks. Titus Bramble with better PR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Mings is also shit so no thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Mings isn't shit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 22 minutes ago, joeyt said: No chance Man City are letting him go in January. Be surprised if they even got rid of Ake never mind Stones Exactly. They only have 4 CBs and are in every competition. I dunno where the Ake links come from because he's played quite a bit this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Money talks though and we have lots of it. I'd be doing everything we could to be getting a few key performers in the league currently. Mings is one of them, Rice another. Both players offering something we have absolutely none of at the back or in midfield, athleticism and physicality. We've been a soft touch in midfield ever since Tiote to be honest, maybe make an argument for Diame but he didn't play all that much in that position for us, maybe half a season. Then if you manage to get that into the squad, you pair it up with intelligence and creativity. It's not rocket science. Also 100% the reason West Ham are doing so well. Soucek is the perfect foil for Rice, you can really pick holes in a lot of their squad but the middle where it matters is as solid as anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 8 minutes ago, Dr Jinx said: Money talks though and we have lots of it. I'd be doing everything we could to be getting a few key performers in the league currently. Mings is one of them, Rice another. Both players offering something we have absolutely none of at the back or in midfield, athleticism and physicality. We've been a soft touch in midfield ever since Tiote to be honest, maybe make an argument for Diame but he didn't play all that much in that position for us, maybe half a season. Then if you manage to get that into the squad, you pair it up with intelligence and creativity. It's not rocket science. Also 100% the reason West Ham are doing so well. Soucek is the perfect foil for Rice, you can really pick holes in a lot of their squad but the middle where it matters is as solid as anything. Mings is minging IMO. Would stay well clear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 (edited) Tarkowski reminds me of Mongo from Blazing Saddles. Edited December 7, 2021 by reefatoon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Mings has a mistake in him, but he’s a very good all-rounder IMO, very aggressive, has pace, is good in the recovery and can play a bit too. I’d have him here in a heart beat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St1pe Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Probably unpopular given his form this season but I don’t really think there’s any difference at all between Lascelles and Mings. Mings has more of a Bramble error in him that’s plagued his whole career for me as well. Mings has benefitted from having some really solid players around him whereas Lascelles hasn’t had as much of that luxury. Konsa is Villa’s best cb by miles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiago Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Shearergol said: Mings isn't shit He absolutely is. He would be nowhere near England if he was right footed. He's always got a mistake in him and so often he gets out of jail because he's an impressive athlete. Edited December 7, 2021 by Thiago Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Thiago said: He absolutely is. He would be near England if he was right footed. He's always got a mistake in him and so often he gets out of jail because he's an impressive athlete. Don’t even think Villa fans particularly rate him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
morpeth mag Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 10 minutes ago, St1pe said: Probably unpopular given his form this season but I don’t really think there’s any difference at all between Lascelles and Mings. Mings has more of a Bramble error in him that’s plagued his whole career for me as well. Mings has benefitted from having some really solid players around him whereas Lascelles hasn’t had as much of that luxury. Konsa is Villa’s best cb by miles. He is left footed which does give him a half rare asset Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 19 minutes ago, St1pe said: Probably unpopular given his form this season but I don’t really think there’s any difference at all between Lascelles and Mings. Mings has more of a Bramble error in him that’s plagued his whole career for me as well. Mings has benefitted from having some really solid players around him whereas Lascelles hasn’t had as much of that luxury. Konsa is Villa’s best cb by miles. Mings is quicker for one thing, always seems to have a great game whenever I'm watching. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingcrofty Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Mings is crap like. Tarkowski, Ake and Trippier would be an unbelievable window. Chuck in a DM and a backup striker and we’d be reet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbo_11 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 If we manage to bring in Trippier, Tarkowski, Ake on loan, Lingard and a back up striker it would be quite the window. I can't see that happening as imagine mistakes will be made in the first window without much guidance, but the ride should be an enjoyable one! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 (edited) I'd rather see us go for one CB and two fullbacks. Lewis has proven nothing yet so far plus he's more or less our only LB. He hasn't exactly come up against stellar opposition yet. But sorting out our central midfield is of the highest priority imo. Sort that out and we'll be stronger defensively automatically. As well as under less pressure. Also need someone up front. Preferably one that can play both Wilson's role as well as more of a wider role. Depending on how many we are signing obviously. I'd even be "ok" with manquillo. Problem is that we don't have much if he's injured. And I don't mean longterm. I'm just saying that there are weaker areas, or shall I say even higher priority. I can't see us signing more than 5 at an absolute maximum, if that. 3-4 more likely. Edited December 7, 2021 by Ikon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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