alexf Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 I get the whole mentality about not changing a winning team and Howe himself has alluded to this so probably won't. But I just don't see that Shelvey is really contributing that much. He just cannot get around the pitch and would almost be better coming on later to try and help keep the ball towards the end of were winning a game. I think once Bruno gets in the team, that dynamism is going to be apparent to all and will lift us up another level. In the same way Trippier has and ASM does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 6 minutes ago, Dokko said: When you have only won one game all season and win 2 on the trot, you don’t change that winning team. It’s got to go again, minus Targett. If a centre mid is feeling a strain or something then ok get Bruno in. However I think it’s good management in this situation where you’re playing if we’re winning and if not things will change. Not so sure, think you have to be proactive and change before you’re forced to. Howe talks about one game at a time but he also said he likes to reward a winning team, which seems a little at odds to me. Anyway, again, what the fuck do I know? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 (edited) A manager can think both, like. Just like anyone else can. He'll end up chooosing one but I doubt it'll be because he's rubbished the other. Edited February 9, 2022 by Super Duper Branko Strupar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NE27 Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 Tough test this one. But, like any game we have to go in with the belief we can win and you just never know on the day. 1-1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HWTL Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 I don't think Howe will change the team apart from lb as that's forced, I thought everyone for to a man played brilliantly against the toffees. Surely if the same team is fit it sends out the wrong message to get dropped after playing so well and winning two on the bounce. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 8AM start here in Texas. Takeover has been really messing with my sleeping schedule. I was a right snoozer under Bruce/Ashley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 Coutinho was cramp and Buendia was an impact injury so I wouldn't get too excited. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza ladra Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 (edited) I think Howe wll start Bruno. It's a short week. That's excuse enough to justify the switch. Edited February 9, 2022 by gazza ladra Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 1 hour ago, alexf said: I get the whole mentality about not changing a winning team and Howe himself has alluded to this so probably won't. But I just don't see that Shelvey is really contributing that much. He just cannot get around the pitch and would almost be better coming on later to try and help keep the ball towards the end of were winning a game. I think once Bruno gets in the team, that dynamism is going to be apparent to all and will lift us up another level. In the same way Trippier has and ASM does. Howe pointing out how we'd approach the game patiently was the biggest suggestion that he was planning changes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Super Duper Branko Strupar said: A manager can think both, like. Just like anyone else can. He'll end up chooosing one but I doubt it'll be because he's rubbished the other. First person Howe went to at the end of the Everton match, was Shelvey. Could imply that he's taking a softly, softly approach to letting him down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Maximin Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Pressure alleviated by yesterday’s win but I still wouldn’t be comfortable with a draw. We only have 7 home games left and I don’t see our final two months being a nice run-in, so we need plenty in the next month. I think we’ll pull through, but will be fighting relegation nearly all the way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Dubravka Trippier Lascelles Schär Burn Willock Shelvey Joelinton Fraser Wood Saint-Maximin Bruno to be on before 60’ this time, giving him a proper chance to stake a claim for a starting spot. 3-1 again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 No reason why we shouldn’t be beating Villa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
teohgk Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 (edited) I don’t buy this “you don’t change a winning team” mentality You play your best available players and i’m pretty sure that Bruno it’s one of them and will improve the team Coutinho basically went straight into Villa starting 11 asap and look what’s he’s been doing for them edit : Dan Burn should start as well if he’s healthy imo Edited February 10, 2022 by teohgk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 I believe Howe is encouraging players to raise their game, that it's more of if you play well, you keep your place. This promotes competition and no one takes their place for granted. It may also be strategy that he can bring Bruno on to change things a bit against tired legs while allowing him to see the team movement from the bench. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 1 hour ago, teohgk said: I don’t buy this “you don’t change a winning team” mentality You play your best available players and i’m pretty sure that Bruno it’s one of them and will improve the team Coutinho basically went straight into Villa starting 11 asap and look what’s he’s been doing for them edit : Dan Burn should start as well if he’s healthy imo You play your best team. A team with Bruno included is still a relative unknown so it's difficult to compare with a team that have won the last two [targett being the only change]. 30-35 mins against Villa will give us enough to see. It seems clear that he will be a 1-on-1 improvement on anybody, but whether that will be an overall addition to the team as a whole is yet to be seen. I've no doubt we'll see it, and yes we need him in there soon, but I think waiting another 60 mins isn't risking too much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 I've no doubt he'll be busting a gut in training, and an unchanged team would suggest that the others have responded positively to the competition. Any slackers this week and I don't think Howe would hesitate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDog Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 50 minutes ago, LRD said: I believe Howe is encouraging players to raise their game, that it's more of if you play well, you keep your place. This promotes competition and no one takes their place for granted. It may also be strategy that he can bring Bruno on to change things a bit against tired legs while allowing him to see the team movement from the bench. Thanks, that's a perspective I had not considered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
teohgk Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 12 minutes ago, Happinesstan said: You play your best team. A team with Bruno included is still a relative unknown so it's difficult to compare with a team that have won the last two [targett being the only change]. 30-35 mins against Villa will give us enough to see. It seems clear that he will be a 1-on-1 improvement on anybody, but whether that will be an overall addition to the team as a whole is yet to be seen. I've no doubt we'll see it, and yes we need him in there soon, but I think waiting another 60 mins isn't risking too much. Imo we’ve seen enough of what Shelvey , Willock etc. can do and it’s safe to say they aren’t the difference maker in those wins(Even though Shelvey scored the winning goal against Leeds) We need as much points as we can get to survive relegation , i honestly think playing Bruno gives us the better chance. Will he struggle? Possibly , but i would prefer giving him more playing time to adapt as soon as possible than wasting time to those that likely don’t have any future to the club if we avoid relegation. Another 60 mins of waiting might sounds not much , but if we end up trailing 1 or 2 goals in those 60mins and lost the game, that 3 points could be the difference of EPL or ELC Anyway, It’s up to Howe to decide i guess Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 10 minutes ago, teohgk said: Imo we’ve seen enough of what Shelvey , Willock etc. can do and it’s safe to say they aren’t the difference maker in those wins(Even though Shelvey scored the winning goal against Leeds) We need as much points as we can get to survive relegation , i honestly think playing Bruno gives us the better chance. Will he struggle? Possibly , but i would prefer giving him more playing time to adapt as soon as possible than wasting time to those that likely don’t have any future to the club if we avoid relegation. Another 60 mins of waiting might sounds not much , but if we end up trailing 1 or 2 goals in those 60mins and lost the game, that 3 points could be the difference of EPL or ELC Anyway, It’s up to Howe to decide i guess Yeah, the difference is how we are playing as a collective. I doubt Howe has made a decision yet, but he'll be glad of the options. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, DJ_NUFC said: 8AM start here in Texas. Takeover has been really messing with my sleeping schedule. I was a right snoozer under Bruce/Ashley. Where you at in Texas brother? Would love to catch a match if I’m down there when the season is on. Looking like I’ll be in Austin next month. Edited February 10, 2022 by cubaricho Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza ladra Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Yeah, he'll make the change. * Short week * I'd imagine that Bruno (and Joelinton) will be absolutely chomping at the bit to have a go at Coutinho. Dubravka Trippier Lascelles Schaar Manquillo Bruno Shelvey Joelinton Fraser Wood ASM Coutinho hasn't played a complete 90 since he's come over. Bring on Willock for Shelvey in the second half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 18 minutes ago, cubaricho said: Where you at in Texas brother? Would love to catch a match if I’m down there when the season is on. Looking like I’ll be in Austin next month. I’m out in West Texas, near Midland/Odessa. If you’re in Austin, the sports bar at The Domain is a resident Aston Villa and Austin FC hangout with a big screen where they show all the games. And even though you’ll be surrounded by Villa fans usually, they’re a great bunch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Aye, let’s drop Lascelles after his best game for ages. Also, we’ve just won 3-1 and could’ve easily scored five. Conservatism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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