Froggy Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 18 minutes ago, WillingtonMag said: Kevin Philips won the golden boot not doubting his goal scoring record but don't think his all round game is of a world class player. Often watch Liverpool and not massively Impressed by him. He terrifies me. He's stupid good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillingtonMag Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 Just now, Froggy said: He terrifies me. He's stupid good. Maybe I've caught him during a bad patch of form or somthing cos I was expecting to be wowed a bit with the way people were talking about him, was similar when watched a bit of the African Cup of Nations were you'd think he'd stand out more. Maybe I'm talking shite then haha. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 That spell he had around October/November time, he was absolutely unplayable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 Coutinho. £120+ million player to a £12 million player in 4 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 12 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said: I'm probably going to attract some right pelters here - and it isn't the intent - but Ronaldinho firmly sits in that 'good player but not great' for me. Flat-track bully who never grabbed hold of any 'big' games that I saw. Genuinely world class players do - Maradona, Messi, Zidane, C Ronaldo, real Ronaldo, van Basten etc etc - had some of their best games in the biggest matches. I'd second some of the bigger names listed here *cough Totti cough* but I think I've likely expressed an unpopular enough one! Surely Ronaldinho tearing apart the Galacticos at the Bernabeu, with two wondergoals, earning him a round of applause from the home fans - counts as grabbing hold of a big game? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, ponsaelius said: Surely Ronaldinho tearing apart the Galacticos at the Bernabeu, with two wondergoals, earning him a round of applause from the home fans - counts as grabbing hold of a big game? The toe punt against Chelsea was such a massive wow moment in another huge game as well. I remember Terry really struggling against him as well, which is something that was really rarely seen. I remember on one occasion at the Neu Camp him trying to go aggressive and just bouncing off him. Edited May 10, 2022 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 Yeah - plus I remember the following season him scoring the decider at home to Chelsea, setting up Giuly with a perfect pass against Milan in the semis. Lots of pretty big game moments even just off the top of my head. The only thing you can say about Ronaldinho is that, even moreso than Kaka, is that he shined very bright for a short amount of time and then fizzled out. That arguably does place him lower than other greats. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 Aleksandar Mitrović Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St1pe Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 I’ve sort of enjoyed reading some of the really horrible takes in here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 There have been some horrible takes, but some are deliberately or otherwise conflating overrated and shit. Players of all ability can be overrated really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEFAFWISP Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 Some that come to mind...; Kalvin Philips Mason Mount Gary Speed Ryan Giggs Matthew Upson David Seaman Hugo Lloris Gokhan Inler Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgarve Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, dabe said: Some that come to mind...; Kalvin Philips Mason Mount Gary Speed Ryan Giggs Matthew Upson David Seaman Hugo Lloris Gokhan Inler Kelvin Philips is a good player and did great at the euros … Mount is still 50/50 but does well for Chelsea , Speed is a fucking legend and was great for us in a team finishing in champions league positions Giggs, may have tainted himself with his antics , and wasn’t the same towards the end of his career but my god he was good at his peak Seaman also was a good keeper Lloris has been great this season inler and Upson maybe agree with but don’t remember saying upson was a complete legend like ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEFAFWISP Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 6 minutes ago, tgarve said: Kelvin Philips is a good player and did great at the euros … Mount is still 50/50 but does well for Chelsea , Speed is a fucking legend and was great for us in a team finishing in champions league positions Giggs, may have tainted himself with his antics , and wasn’t the same towards the end of his career but my god he was good at his peak Seaman also was a good keeper Lloris has been great this season inler and Upson maybe agree with but don’t remember saying upson was a complete legend like ? Philips - disagree, he's adequate, hence overrated, usual English inflation. Mount - same. Speed - posthumously pedastelled above where he should be rated, a good player with longevity, not great. Giggs - good but lauded in same tier as some of the best PL players, not for me Clive. Seaman - decent but shouldn't have 75 caps for England when Tim Flowers and Nigel Martyn exist. Lloris - perenially overrated, same as Seaman, Mandanda is better. Inler/Upson - they're overrated, never said they were rated as legends. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 13 hours ago, The Prophet said: 155 goals and 62 assists in 249 games for Liverpool, he's world class. I try to tune out of punditry so I've no doubt missed some overkill. A few months ago, some were touting him as the best player in the world, which I thought was overkill. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
prefabtoon Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 ASM. runs around like a blue arsed fly, getting no where or until he loses possession. He then proceeds to blow out of his arse for the remainder of the match, or till Howe pulls him off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgarve Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 1 minute ago, prefabtoon said: ASM. runs around like a blue arsed fly, getting no where or until he loses possession. He then proceeds to blow out of his arse for the remainder of the match, or till Howe pulls him off. Jury still out on this one- think with Wilson back he will be unlocked again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Cronky said: A few months ago, some were touting him as the best player in the world, which I thought was overkill. At that very time he arguably was the form player in the world. It's all subjective though. Edited May 10, 2022 by The Prophet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfcastle Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 Seth Johnson scammed a career Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 Scott Parker Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 13 minutes ago, Wolfcastle said: Seth Johnson scammed a career Well that was more down to Peter Ridsdale going full Freddy Shepherd and offering him three times more than he was going to ask for Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 Vinicius Jr. Raphinha and Antony are better players, yet it's Vini who is getting all the plaudits. Take Benzema out of the team and he's still very inconsistent and I'd argue Rodrygo is a better player if played on the left-wing. He's a very good player, but I don't think he'll ever be a top 10-15 player in the world and definitely not a golden ball winner. (be happy to be wrong though ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 Ollie Watkins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 All those players are better technically than Vinicius but he's just so fast Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Wolfcastle said: Seth Johnson scammed a career Defo a top contender for a ‘footballers you forgot existed’ thread. Add that Michael Johnson that used to play for City to that list too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St1pe Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 1 hour ago, brummie said: Ollie Watkins. Really!? Always looks a good prospect when I’ve seen him. Although that isn’t a great deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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