Mazzy Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Are there any young up and coming DoFs we can get in from South America? No doubt Chelsea or possibly Liverpool will need another one ina year or two. Quite possibly our best way to loosen the FFP belt it would seem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 11 minutes ago, lovejoy said: This, the over analysis is mental. His big pal wants him at one of the biggest clubs in the world, of course he's going to fancy it. He could have been unbelievably happy here and still fancied it. If he was leaving for Everton for example you'd ask the question, but it's Man Utd. That's all there is to it imo. I've no delusions of grandeur when it comes to us and obviously know that Man Utd is a bigger club, but I fail to see why it was so irresistible. They're barely ahead of us these days and should continue to be direct rivals for league places and cups. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Whitley mag Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 20 minutes ago, TRon said: I wonder if he thinks Howe has too much input? Eddie does like a particular profile of player, and he's very hands on across a lot of roles at the club. Maybe little Dan wanted a bit more limelight? Howe was quoted as saying that the biggest credit he would give Ashworth was that he didn’t use his power when he came in to change the transfer approach. He alluded to the fact that nothing had fundamentally changed since the first January window. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 58 minutes ago, Matt1892 said: His brother, back in September... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 36 minutes ago, Whitley mag said: Surely he’s the man who has been appointing all these analysts and scouts ? I certainly don’t think everything is a well oiled machine at the club currently, but by his own description he’s the man that puts everything in place, would be interesting to know why he’s been unhappy with the set up currently, not that we’ll ever find out. I'm thinking more PIF, Eales, Staveley and Husband, Nickson & Howe levels. By the time Ashworth joined we already signed Bruno and identified Botman as a transfer target. Nickson earning his stripes. I assume Eales is his boss. Eales came in after Ashworth, Eales might have different ideas about things. From the documentary, Staveley seems very involved. No idea how involved PIF are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 48 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said: Why does a lot of folk assume Ashworth is / was just a glorified scout? He puts the scouting department in place, he doesn't actually do the scouting afaik Basically because no one really knows what his actually day to day detailed remit is, we have a good idea but then from poster to poster that role can be rather inflated, deflated or absolutely wrong. End of the day we're mere babbling baboons spouting nonsensical stuff, it's just some of us are aware we're babbling baboons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfcastle Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 39 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Personally think most are reading too much into it. He’s good mates with those at Ineos and he gets to join a massive club. Nothing else in it imo. Ffp is definitely a factor. But for that now this would be a step down in league position and future potential Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 2 hours ago, NSG said: Seeya I love how short the article is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maze Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Worrying that the top 6 can ‘cherry pick’ important straff from us like this. I might be naive, but I really believed we had more pulling power than this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mush Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Am I right in thinking Ashworth's role was as kind of a facilitator or go-between linking various departments within the club, rather than being in charge of one thing in particular? Seems like he's talented but I doubt it'll be a huge loss in the long term. I just really want us to play hardball about the gardening leave, purely to fuck Man U as much as possible. Either insist on the full leave to hamper their revival or ask for an exorbitant fee Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
astraguy Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 fucking rinse them like they tried with Lingard they wanted what 10m? so that's double for dan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 55 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Personally think most are reading too much into it. He’s good mates with those at Ineos and he gets to join a massive club. Nothing else in it imo. Clearly lacks loyalty, and has no integrity to honour his contract. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vidooq Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 2 hours ago, The College Dropout said: It will defo stop him from talking about football with rivals. If they go for multiple targets of ours we could take action. For first teamers we don’t have the same issues though. I truly hope you are right, because there simply no way to prove if in case he has brief a name or two. Take Caicedo for example, both Liverpool and Chelsea were in for him. Its open market, you can not say Dibs on a player. 2 hours ago, lovejoy said: This. The recriminations for Man Utd would be huge if they breached it. Transfer embargo etc. Not a chance they’ll be blasé about it, nor will Ashworth. Just as we weren’t (and he wasn’t) when he was on gardening leave at Brighton. Yeah, lets hope they stay classy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingxlnc Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 18 minutes ago, mush said: Am I right in thinking Ashworth's role was as kind of a facilitator or go-between linking various departments within the club, rather than being in charge of one thing in particular? Seems like he's talented but I doubt it'll be a huge loss in the long term. I just really want us to play hardball about the gardening leave, purely to fuck Man U as much as possible. Either insist on the full leave to hamper their revival or ask for an exorbitant fee Apparently he’s the centre of a wheel with the spokes being different departments. I could be wrong, not heard that analogy spoken about much Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Honestly if we can get £15m-£20m for him I think it would be a greater achievement than if we somehow sold Miggy for £50m. The transfer windows since he took full control have largely been underwhelming. I know that's not solely his responsibility, but it's the only tangible thing we can judge him off, other than random soundbites about how nice his laptop is. Said it before but I genuinely think he might be one of the most overhyped people in football. He's a sporting director, they're ten a penny and way down the levels of importance when it comes to actual results on the pitch imo. The media coverage has almost been Ronaldo-esque. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 5 minutes ago, Andy said: Honestly if we can get £15m-£20m for him I think it would be a greater achievement than if we somehow sold Miggy for £50m. The transfer windows since he took full control have largely been underwhelming. I know that's not solely his responsibility, but it's the only tangible thing we can judge him off, other than random soundbites about how nice his laptop is. Said it before but I genuinely think he might be one of the most overhyped people in football. He's a sporting director, they're ten a penny and way down the levels of importance when it comes to actual results on the pitch imo. The media coverage has almost been Ronaldo-esque. Totally agree. We might end up getting someone who isn't the centre of attention and benefit from it. I'm quietly excited about this being a positive change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 9 minutes ago, Andy said: The transfer windows since he took full control have largely been underwhelming. I know that's not solely his responsibility, but it's the only tangible thing we can judge him off, other than random soundbites about how nice his laptop is. You say that, but... Quote He likened it to a “wheel”, or wedges of cheese in Trivial Pursuit, and an early example of his influence was when Newcastle were talked out of signing a No 10 because he had earmarked Elliot Anderson as a possible contender for that role. Taken from Mark Douglas's article - https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/newcastle-dan-ashworth-setback-2914017 Er... Thanks, Dan? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 7 minutes ago, Andy said: Honestly if we can get £15m-£20m for him I think it would be a greater achievement than if we somehow sold Miggy for £50m. The transfer windows since he took full control have largely been underwhelming. I know that's not solely his responsibility, but it's the only tangible thing we can judge him off, other than random soundbites about how nice his laptop is. Said it before but I genuinely think he might be one of the most overhyped people in football. He's a sporting director, they're ten a penny and way down the levels of importance when it comes to actual results on the pitch imo. The media coverage has almost been Ronaldo-esque. Think I really agree with this part. Liverpool had Edwards for a very successful period but, after he left, they seemed to shift from the process model and give more power to Klopp. Maybe @rgk_lfc can give insight into what's happened. Not great last season but doesn't seem to have been a problem this while Klopp's supposedly had his mate in-post for 6 months to basically handle transfer negotiations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Andy said: Honestly if we can get £15m-£20m for him I think it would be a greater achievement than if we somehow sold Miggy for £50m. The transfer windows since he took full control have largely been underwhelming. I know that's not solely his responsibility, but it's the only tangible thing we can judge him off, other than random soundbites about how nice his laptop is. Said it before but I genuinely think he might be one of the most overhyped people in football. He's a sporting director, they're ten a penny and way down the levels of importance when it comes to actual results on the pitch imo. The media coverage has almost been Ronaldo-esque. Couldn't agree more. ? We'll be absolutely fine without him. I said months ago we've got his plan, doesn't matter if he's here to implement it and the board now know what good looks like and will find someone to fill the void. Manure need him for his plan. Those thinking he'll be feeding them whilst on gardening leave are daft. He's not going to give his services for free and devalue his brand. They both need this sorted ASAP, for us, takes as long as it takes manure to pay up or 2026 hits. No fucks given this side. Edited February 19 by Dokko Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAK Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 12 minutes ago, Andy said: Honestly if we can get £15m-£20m for him I think it would be a greater achievement than if we somehow sold Miggy for £50m. The transfer windows since he took full control have largely been underwhelming. I know that's not solely his responsibility, but it's the only tangible thing we can judge him off, other than random soundbites about how nice his laptop is. Said it before but I genuinely think he might be one of the most overhyped people in football. He's a sporting director, they're ten a penny and way down the levels of importance when it comes to actual results on the pitch imo. The media coverage has almost been Ronaldo-esque. Transfers are done by committee, but as you say wasn’t his main role. Think his remit was to align all the departments to pull in the same direction to a shared vision. Including planning pathways for youth players to the first team, improve medical facilities, improve our data department, scouting, and women’s teams etc. An administrator, which should be replaceable but is an important role as fractional improvements across departments can eek out improvements on the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Talking about Ashworth - just worth it for Roys comment on 39.41 secs - well said Roy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 6 minutes ago, SAK said: Transfers are done by committee, but as you say wasn’t his main role. Think his remit was to align all the departments to pull in the same direction to a shared vision. Including planning pathways for youth players to the first team, improve medical facilities, improve our data department, scouting, and women’s teams etc. An administrator, which should be replaceable but is an important role as fractional improvements across departments can eek out improvements on the pitch. An important role perhaps, but to justify this furore? I'm not so sure. I remember seeing him interviewed on TV on the pitch either before or after one of our matches and just thinking it was odd for the role he's in, I can't remember seeing other sporting directors putting themselves in that kind of scenario very often. Just finding it hard to feel anything other than bewildered by the whole thing tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghandis Flip-Flop Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 7 hours ago, brummie said: '68 here and I definitely hate Liverpool more. Worth remembering, anyone our sort of age, Man U didn't win the league in the first 24 years of our lives and also managed to get relegated. That lent them a certain shitness that softened things, but Liverpool hoovered up silverware and their fucking fans, and the media, were unbearable. I don't give a fuck about Arsenal, but I remember sitting in our student house in Gateshead watching that Michael Thomas championship decider in 1989 and every single one of the dozen or so of us watching really, really wanted Liverpool to fuck it. It remains one of the best football events I've ever seen in terms of schadenfreude. Takes me back, I was about 8 or 9 on my first holiday abroad in Blanes (Costa Bravo), watching it in a bar ran by localish Barca fans Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 25 minutes ago, Andy said: Honestly if we can get £15m-£20m for him I think it would be a greater achievement than if we somehow sold Miggy for £50m. The transfer windows since he took full control have largely been underwhelming. I know that's not solely his responsibility, but it's the only tangible thing we can judge him off, other than random soundbites about how nice his laptop is. Said it before but I genuinely think he might be one of the most overhyped people in football. He's a sporting director, they're ten a penny and way down the levels of importance when it comes to actual results on the pitch imo. The media coverage has almost been Ronaldo-esque. I can’t say I’m arsed about him leaving. But really don’t agree with that middle paragraph. His first summer was gold. Pope, Botman and Isak. Targett made permanent was a no brainer (at the time). Been plagued by injuries/Howe wanting Burn for his system, since. Gordon in the January. Which took a while to come good. But fuck me, he’s been our best player by miles this season. Last summer was three great buys, IMO. Tino, Tonali and Barnes were all players we needed. With perhaps the former maybe being a ‘too good to turn down’ kind of deal. But either way, he has looked very impressive when given a chance and has age on his side. Hall is the only real head scratcher, IMO. You can use hindsight to say the windows have been disappointing because players have been unavailable and perhaps we did neglect certain areas. But it wasn’t like we were gambling (Tonali, cough) massively on players with patchy fitness records with those that we got in. Just genuine hard luck or something within the club that has been set up incorrectly (Ashworth and Howe to take some blame here, if so). But then we have also seen that FFP is a genuine issue, by all accounts and not just for ourselves. So we must have been hamstrung by that and you’re never going to please everyone or get as many in as you’d have liked. I guess you could argue about how much input he has actually had with those signings. But then that works both ways. Whether you think they’re good or bad buys. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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