TheBrownBottle Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 20 minutes ago, reefatoon said: We didn’t keep clean sheets, but apart from the Aston Villa game, we weren’t shipping goals in either. Was mainly just the solitary goal. I’d say we looked pretty successful last year not playing with one. For me it’s just too much of a disciplined/limited roll. Eddie has the players each doing so much more than one solitary focused job. Love watching our midfield all over the place doing what they do, it’s a joy to behold. For me, hopefully we sign more midfielders in that style. Strong, physical, energetic skilful players who can get up and down. 19 minutes ago, cubaricho said: Also taking a player out of the midfield three to “just sit” is taking a player out of our insane press. We don’t play a high press anymore. We stopped that when we went on that dry patch at the start of the year. After which our defence started to look very exposed and started making schoolboy errors in pretty much every game, leading to conceding daft goals like clockwork. We went from the best defence in the league to an average one. It seems patently obvious to me that if we continue playing the more positive style of the second half of last season (which was more fun to watch) then a genuine defensive midfielder would be a positive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 Another cross cum goal by gabi veiga Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 Raphinha also looked top class whilst on the pitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: We don’t play a high press anymore. We stopped that when we went on that dry patch at the start of the year. After which our defence started to look very exposed and started making schoolboy errors in pretty much every game, leading to conceding daft goals like clockwork. We went from the best defence in the league to an average one. It seems patently obvious to me that if we continue playing the more positive style of the second half of last season (which was more fun to watch) then a genuine defensive midfielder would be a positive. We definetly do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 Just now, The Prophet said: We definetly do. We play a pressing game but not the same as what we played first half of the season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 Thats absolutely outrageous from Veiga Spoiler If he meant it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 So what is it then lads? Do we play a high press or not? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 3 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: We don’t play a high press anymore. I’m going to have to disagree with that. That’s all the pundits talk about when talking about us and it’s clear as day to me. We’re all over teams. Like Tottenham and Arsenal near the end of the season. They had no idea what was happening and were wholly unprepared for our high press. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 3 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: We don’t play a high press anymore. We stopped that when we went on that dry patch at the start of the year. After which our defence started to look very exposed and started making schoolboy errors in pretty much every game, leading to conceding daft goals like clockwork. We went from the best defence in the league to an average one. It seems patently obvious to me that if we continue playing the more positive style of the second half of last season (which was more fun to watch) then a genuine defensive midfielder would be a positive. That's not right like, we were conceding far fewer goals when we sat back. We were scoring less as well, so swings and roundabouts, but it feels like we are evolving regardless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: We play a pressing game but not the same as what we played first half of the season There was a good piece of analysis recently that showed we still high press pretty religiously, but rather than to force a turn over, it's to force the opposition downfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 Just now, cubaricho said: I’m going to have to disagree with that. That’s all the pundits talk about when talking about us and it’s clear as day to me. We’re all over teams. Like Tottenham and Arsenal near the end of the season. They had no idea what was happening and were wholly unprepared for our high press. We still play it against ‘big’ teams where we don’t expect to dominate on the ball. But we don’t at all against lesser sides, as it is completely ineffective. There’s a more methodical style with pressure building from possession. The games against good sides at the tail end of the season - Arsenal, Spurs, Villa - all illustrate my point re how exposed the defence has looked. We blew Spurs away but conceded a stupid y pressured goal. Villa overrun our midfield and exposed the lack of pace at the back - if you wanted a blueprint for beating us, that was it. Arsenal hit us with sucker punches. A CDM potentially changes that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 3 minutes ago, cubaricho said: I’m going to have to disagree with that. That’s all the pundits talk about when talking about us and it’s clear as day to me. We’re all over teams. Like Tottenham and Arsenal near the end of the season. They had no idea what was happening and were wholly unprepared for our high press. Yep exactly. Brighton couldn’t hardly get out of their own box too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 4 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: We still play it against ‘big’ teams where we don’t expect to dominate on the ball. But we don’t at all against lesser sides, as it is completely ineffective. There’s a more methodical style with pressure building from possession. The games against good sides at the tail end of the season - Arsenal, Spurs, Villa - all illustrate my point re how exposed the defence has looked. We blew Spurs away but conceded a stupid y pressured goal. Villa overrun our midfield and exposed the lack of pace at the back - if you wanted a blueprint for beating us, that was it. Arsenal hit us with sucker punches. A CDM potentially changes that. Villa are a genuinely good side, with a terrific manager. That was the one game I was confident Liverpool would drop points as well, and they really shouldn't have got any. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 17 minutes ago, reefatoon said: Yep exactly. Brighton couldn’t hardly get out of their own box too. That’s probably the best example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 Our press has definitely refined as the season has gone on, we do it less as a team but are much more intelligent when we do use it like against Brighton. The fear going in to that game was that Brighton are excellent against pressing teams, they happily play it around between the two pivots, defence and the keeper and wait for the press which creates gaps for them to exploit. We didn’t allow that as the midfield didn’t appear to press at all, only from goal kicks meaning Brighton had to go long which we could pick up and then go again. It was tactically excellent from Howe. Regarding a DM, I can see the benefit and would allow us to start with a 4-2-3-1 formation against weaker sides or switch it up if we struggle to break teams down. We seem to have very little going for us attack wise through the middle at times and they go sideways to the wide players that much that it become predictable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 (edited) We are one of the most direct sides in the league and have a very high number of turnovers, we don't seem to mind trying risky balls through or over as we can press quickly to win the ball back. That side of our game is almost the opposite of what pep or klopp would want as they want control. We also attack in many ways with overloads to create isolations on the other side, doubling up offensively. Being very quick on the break. It's almost like we use every possible method of attack. None perfectly, but it doesn't matter as if one way doesn't work we try another. We went from being a very aggressive high pressing team like you would see from klopp to a very dynamic almost random team offensively that still presses. We seemed to change to this around march I think. Edited June 5, 2023 by relámpago blanco Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinstonFC Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 Not sure how popular this is but i would love us to sign Kane. Goes against the young model strategy we have in place but personally think because we have fast tracked ourselves into top 4 that a signing like that would keep us there next year. Its going to be much harder fighting on 4 fronts next season plus the fact that teams are going to be more prepared for our style of play. Isak is only 23, a couple of seasons beside Kane would be massive for his development. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 Kane would obviously be fantastic, but it'd make little sense on our part. We have positions to fill all over the pitch and two strikers who could get 20+ goals season if they stay fully fit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 Out of interest, given his club were relegated and he has a year left on his deal. What would you value Maddison at? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 Just now, The Prophet said: Out of interest, given his club were relegated and he has a year left on his deal. What would you value Maddison at? 30-35mil for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 https://twitter.com/Transferzone00/status/1665624732505624576 Liverpool are in pole position to sign Celta Vigo midfielder Gabri Viega. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 15 minutes ago, r0cafella said: 30-35mil for me. 20m + 5 in addons or match any higher bid up to 35 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 (edited) I had changed my mind on Veiga after actually watching him in the Barcelona game. Obviously he’s going to Liverpool now that I think he would have been a good signing Hopefully means we’re the best option for Thuram now. Liverpool can’t sign all the midfielders. Edited June 5, 2023 by McCormick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 Liverpool are in pole position to sign all of our targets according to the media Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 7 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Liverpool are in pole position to sign all of our targets according to the media Aye signing Thuram, Kone, Mac Allister, Lavia, Veiga, Kokcu and Mount if you took all reports at face value. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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