triggs Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Interesting discussion on the Kick Off yesterday. 22 Liverpool players have asthma. Wow. What a coincidence. Nobody can play like Liverpool and be fully clean IMO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalove Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Probably not just them tbf. They mentioned other elite clubs. But it’s Intersteing how Football is supposedly the only sport that is clean. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Interesting discussion on the Kick Off yesterday. 22 Liverpool players have asthma. Wow. What a coincidence. It's the same with cross country skiers in Norway. All of them have asthma for some mysterious reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Interesting discussion on the Kick Off yesterday. 22 Liverpool players have asthma. Wow. What a coincidence. More likely to be exercise-induced bronchoconstriction; it's very common among elite athletes. They'll likely be prescribed inhalers - a reliever such as salbutamol and a preventer such as Fostair. A therapeutic dose of either isn't going to give them a competitive advantage. The above is assuming they've undergone an objective test rather than just been diagnosed using a questionnaire. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalove Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 That’s actually a good explanation tbf. Still think there’s a lot of doping going on in football not necessarily Liverpool, but it is odd that football is seemingly so clean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Interesting discussion on the Kick Off yesterday. 22 Liverpool players have asthma. Wow. What a coincidence. More likely to be exercise-induced bronchoconstriction; it's very common among elite athletes. They'll likely be prescribed inhalers - a reliever such as salbutamol and a preventer such as Fostair. A therapeutic dose of either isn't going to give them a competitive advantage. The above is assuming they've undergone an objective test rather than just been diagnosed using a questionnaire. They wouldn't be taking them if it wasn't going to give them some kind of advantage. 63% asthmatic vs. 12% in general population can't just be a coincidence Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Interesting discussion on the Kick Off yesterday. 22 Liverpool players have asthma. Wow. What a coincidence. More likely to be exercise-induced bronchoconstriction; it's very common among elite athletes. They'll likely be prescribed inhalers - a reliever such as salbutamol and a preventer such as Fostair. A therapeutic dose of either isn't going to give them a competitive advantage. The above is assuming they've undergone an objective test rather than just been diagnosed using a questionnaire. They wouldn't be taking them if it wasn't going to give them some kind of advantage. 63% asthmatic vs. 12% in general population can't just be a coincidence There's a real lack of evidence for any sort of meaningful performance-enhancing effects of salbutamol when under the controlled upper limit, especially in team sports. You'd have to be taking around 16 doses of the thing over the course of the day to exceed the controlled upper limit, risking a failed piss test. Like I said earlier, this is all assuming they've done the objective test. It's not something you can really cheat, and it's a pretty unpleasant test to undergo (tests of lung function before and after inhaling dry air for 6 minutes). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Could be effective for intense stamina training. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocker Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Interesting discussion on the Kick Off yesterday. 22 Liverpool players have asthma. Wow. What a coincidence. More likely to be exercise-induced bronchoconstriction; it's very common among elite athletes. They'll likely be prescribed inhalers - a reliever such as salbutamol and a preventer such as Fostair. A therapeutic dose of either isn't going to give them a competitive advantage. The above is assuming they've undergone an objective test rather than just been diagnosed using a questionnaire. They wouldn't be taking them if it wasn't going to give them some kind of advantage. 63% asthmatic vs. 12% in general population can't just be a coincidence You can't compare elite athletes to the general population. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Interesting discussion on the Kick Off yesterday. 22 Liverpool players have asthma. Wow. What a coincidence. More likely to be exercise-induced bronchoconstriction; it's very common among elite athletes. They'll likely be prescribed inhalers - a reliever such as salbutamol and a preventer such as Fostair. A therapeutic dose of either isn't going to give them a competitive advantage. The above is assuming they've undergone an objective test rather than just been diagnosed using a questionnaire. They wouldn't be taking them if it wasn't going to give them some kind of advantage. 63% asthmatic vs. 12% in general population can't just be a coincidence You can't compare elite athletes to the general population. Well they should have lower asthma if anything surely? It's also 6 times the PL average fwiw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Interesting discussion on the Kick Off yesterday. 22 Liverpool players have asthma. Wow. What a coincidence. More likely to be exercise-induced bronchoconstriction; it's very common among elite athletes. They'll likely be prescribed inhalers - a reliever such as salbutamol and a preventer such as Fostair. A therapeutic dose of either isn't going to give them a competitive advantage. The above is assuming they've undergone an objective test rather than just been diagnosed using a questionnaire. They wouldn't be taking them if it wasn't going to give them some kind of advantage. 63% asthmatic vs. 12% in general population can't just be a coincidence There's a real lack of evidence for any sort of meaningful performance-enhancing effects of salbutamol when under the controlled upper limit, especially in team sports. You'd have to be taking around 16 doses of the thing over the course of the day to exceed the controlled upper limit, risking a failed p*ss test. Like I said earlier, this is all assuming they've done the objective test. It's not something you can really cheat, and it's a pretty unpleasant test to undergo (tests of lung function before and after inhaling dry air for 6 minutes). Fair enough. You are obviously more qualified than me to speak on this. Do know it's been a big controversy in cycling in recent years with teams getting TUEs based on a ridiculous proportion of the cyclists being asthmatic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Interesting discussion on the Kick Off yesterday. 22 Liverpool players have asthma. Wow. What a coincidence. More likely to be exercise-induced bronchoconstriction; it's very common among elite athletes. They'll likely be prescribed inhalers - a reliever such as salbutamol and a preventer such as Fostair. A therapeutic dose of either isn't going to give them a competitive advantage. The above is assuming they've undergone an objective test rather than just been diagnosed using a questionnaire. They wouldn't be taking them if it wasn't going to give them some kind of advantage. 63% asthmatic vs. 12% in general population can't just be a coincidence You can't compare elite athletes to the general population. This too. Swimmers are notorious for having such problems, but then they spend most of their training time breathing in swimming pool air. Endurance athletes are likely to spend ages outdoors breathing in cold/polluted/allergen filled air at much higher rates than the general population. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Interesting discussion on the Kick Off yesterday. 22 Liverpool players have asthma. Wow. What a coincidence. More likely to be exercise-induced bronchoconstriction; it's very common among elite athletes. They'll likely be prescribed inhalers - a reliever such as salbutamol and a preventer such as Fostair. A therapeutic dose of either isn't going to give them a competitive advantage. The above is assuming they've undergone an objective test rather than just been diagnosed using a questionnaire. They wouldn't be taking them if it wasn't going to give them some kind of advantage. 63% asthmatic vs. 12% in general population can't just be a coincidence There's a real lack of evidence for any sort of meaningful performance-enhancing effects of salbutamol when under the controlled upper limit, especially in team sports. You'd have to be taking around 16 doses of the thing over the course of the day to exceed the controlled upper limit, risking a failed p*ss test. Like I said earlier, this is all assuming they've done the objective test. It's not something you can really cheat, and it's a pretty unpleasant test to undergo (tests of lung function before and after inhaling dry air for 6 minutes). Fair enough. You are obviously more qualified than me to speak on this. Do know it's been a big controversy in cycling in recent years with teams getting TUEs based on a ridiculous proportion of the cyclists being asthmatic I've done the test and been diagnosed, but I'm by no means an authoritative voice on the subject. I just think a lot of the time the controversy is overblown. Even if the athletes are absolutely caning the stuff, any performance-enhancing effect is likely to be negligible. For a lot of them it's probably a placebo type situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Something must have been worked out with this as we can now get every PL game for £26 a year. That's a legit deal through tencent, no dodgy shit. These words and name don't work together. Will be interesting to see how PL bends the knee for China if f.ex a player or pundit says something deemed as damaging to Chinas reputation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Something must have been worked out with this as we can now get every PL game for £26 a year. That's a legit deal through tencent, no dodgy shit. These words and name don't work together. Will be interesting to see how PL bends the knee for China if f.ex a player or pundit says something deemed as damaging to Chinas reputation. They'll simply disappear. Never to be mentioned again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Something must have been worked out with this as we can now get every PL game for £26 a year. That's a legit deal through tencent, no dodgy shit. These words and name don't work together. Will be interesting to see how PL bends the knee for China if f.ex a player or pundit says something deemed as damaging to Chinas reputation. It seemed cheap last week, looks a bit pricey after the Brighton 'game'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 £26 a year for all games is dirt cheap. Probably makes more sense to price low when you have a market of 1.3 billion people to sell to, and a market to try and capture, rather than having a much smaller market of loyal fans who will pay through the nose (like the domestic TV situation). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nbthree3 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 Justice? The criminal mismanagement trial, sentences handed out. 28 months and 36 months for the two Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheInfiniteOdyssey Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Do they think they're some american football team or something? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facundo Ferreyra Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 https://www.wrexhamafc.co.uk/news/sgm-names-of-potential-investors-released-following-vote Rob McElhenney of It's Always Sunny fame and Ryan Reynolds are investing in Wrexham AFC. What the absolute fuck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Hope he brings the duster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Think I'm just going to become a Wrexham fan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Parka Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 I was in Wrexham a few weeks ago. Fkn shithole. Nice stadium though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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