Tribesman Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 France Footballs top 50 all time managers: Mourinho, Wenger, Ancelotti, Simeone, Benitez, Del Bosque and Hiddink should be much higher. Klopp and Capello should be much lower and Conte and Bielsa shouldn't even be on the list. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Capello should be higher, no? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 How is Sir Bobby lower than Simeone and Klopp? Sir bobby won trophies in 4 different countries, managed at international level, has a World Cup semi-final on his CV, won domestic and European silverware, was a manager over 4 decades, was renowned for developing youth, played attacking attractive football, managed some of the biggest and most diverse players in the world, is credited as being some kind of mentor/major influence to two current successful managers in Mourinho and Guardiola and is England’s most successful manager to have managed abroad. He first become a manager at a very young age, while still a player, and in Canada of all places. What he did at Ipswich was ground breaking at the time and globally, he has had such a big impact on the game. He should be much higher up than either Klopp or Simeone for starters and if Busby is listed so high Bobby should be above him as well. Even without black and white tinted specs you've got to admit Bobby is one of if not the greatest English manager there has been. For me he is the best ever English manager and I’d say because of that, second only to Fergie, if you include all home nation managers. My own personal greatest ever is Clough, but it’s purely based on personal preference in the same way I’ll always rank KK higher than anyone else even if Rafa was to go on and win a few trophies with us. Sir Bobby though is the undisputed GOAT English manager surely? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Frank Rijkaard? You my as well include Terry Venables in that case and Roberto Di Matteo And no place for this guy, really? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vittorio_Pozzo Or https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mário_Zagallo He was 38 when he won the World Cup, his Brazil team arguably the greatest footballing side of all time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 How is Sir Bobby lower than Simeone and Klopp? Sir bobby won trophies in 4 different countries, managed at international level, has a World Cup semi-final on his CV, won domestic and European silverware, was a manager over 4 decades, was renowned for developing youth, played attacking attractive football, managed some of the biggest and most diverse players in the world, is credited as being some kind of mentor/major influence to two current successful managers in Mourinho and Guardiola and is England’s most successful manager to have managed abroad. He first become a manager at a very young age, while still a player, and in Canada of all places. What he did at Ipswich was ground breaking at the time and globally, he has had such a big impact on the game. He should be much higher up than either Klopp or Simeone for starters and if Busby is listed so high Bobby should be above him as well. Christ almighty. SBR ahead of Sir Matt Busby and Diego Simeone. Even for you that's ludicrous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 How is Sir Bobby lower than Simeone and Klopp? Sir bobby won trophies in 4 different countries, managed at international level, has a World Cup semi-final on his CV, won domestic and European silverware, was a manager over 4 decades, was renowned for developing youth, played attacking attractive football, managed some of the biggest and most diverse players in the world, is credited as being some kind of mentor/major influence to two current successful managers in Mourinho and Guardiola and is England’s most successful manager to have managed abroad. He first become a manager at a very young age, while still a player, and in Canada of all places. What he did at Ipswich was ground breaking at the time and globally, he has had such a big impact on the game. He should be much higher up than either Klopp or Simeone for starters and if Busby is listed so high Bobby should be above him as well. Even without black and white tinted specs you've got to admit Bobby is one of if not the greatest English manager there has been. For me he is the best ever English manager and I’d say because of that, second only to Fergie, if you include all home nation managers. My own personal greatest ever is Clough, but it’s purely based on personal preference in the same way I’ll always rank KK higher than anyone else even if Rafa was to go on and win a few trophies with us. Sir Bobby though is the undisputed GOAT English manager surely? Paisley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbnufc Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Oblak de Gea ter Stegen Alisson Buffon = Courtois Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Howaythetoon Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 How is Sir Bobby lower than Simeone and Klopp? Sir bobby won trophies in 4 different countries, managed at international level, has a World Cup semi-final on his CV, won domestic and European silverware, was a manager over 4 decades, was renowned for developing youth, played attacking attractive football, managed some of the biggest and most diverse players in the world, is credited as being some kind of mentor/major influence to two current successful managers in Mourinho and Guardiola and is England’s most successful manager to have managed abroad. He first become a manager at a very young age, while still a player, and in Canada of all places. What he did at Ipswich was ground breaking at the time and globally, he has had such a big impact on the game. He should be much higher up than either Klopp or Simeone for starters and if Busby is listed so high Bobby should be above him as well. Christ almighty. SBR ahead of Sir Matt Busby and Diego Simeone. Even for you that's ludicrous. I’m not lieing when I say this but out of everyone on here, I just knew you of all people would be the most likely to reply to my comments and in the manner you have, it’s like I’ve personally offended you Anyway... I’d easily rank Sir Bobby higher than those two based on the totality of his career and his body of work which spans over 4 decades managing in 4 different countries winning league titles and domestic and European cup silverware, from Ipswich to Barcelona. A career in management that also included a World Cup semi final and several tournament qualifications with England. What he achieved with Ipswich alone is more of an achievement than what Simeone has achieved with A.Madrid and while the legacy, influence and achievements of Busby are not in doubt, Sir Bobby’s was spread around the world at club and international level, domestically and in European competitions. Far succeeding whatever he achieved. Don’t be swayed by the romanticism of Munich... He also ranks higher IMO because of his longevity, ability to work with players of any nationality and pedigree from Romario to Costa Helier and his ability to improve the games of veteran and younger players alike through coaching and man management and not the chequebook. He ranks high on the example he set in terms of sportsmanship, fair play and his commitment to the traditions and values of the game and players, their development, encouraging youth, attacking football, entertaining fans, honouring contracts and his real true legacy, inspiring others to take up management. Mourinho and Guardiola all credit SBR as a massive influence and role model. Simeone better than SBR howay man Busby at least merits debate... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 ter Stegen (can do everything to the highest level) Oblak De Gea Alisson Courtois Buffon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 How is Sir Bobby lower than Simeone and Klopp? Sir bobby won trophies in 4 different countries, managed at international level, has a World Cup semi-final on his CV, won domestic and European silverware, was a manager over 4 decades, was renowned for developing youth, played attacking attractive football, managed some of the biggest and most diverse players in the world, is credited as being some kind of mentor/major influence to two current successful managers in Mourinho and Guardiola and is England’s most successful manager to have managed abroad. He first become a manager at a very young age, while still a player, and in Canada of all places. What he did at Ipswich was ground breaking at the time and globally, he has had such a big impact on the game. He should be much higher up than either Klopp or Simeone for starters and if Busby is listed so high Bobby should be above him as well. Christ almighty. SBR ahead of Sir Matt Busby and Diego Simeone. Even for you that's ludicrous. I’m not lieing when I say this but out of everyone on here, I just knew you of all people would be the most likely to reply to my comments and in the manner you have, it’s like I’ve personally offended you Anyway... I’d easily rank Sir Bobby higher than those two based on the totality of his career and his body of work which spans over 4 decades managing in 4 different countries winning league titles and domestic and European cup silverware, from Ipswich to Barcelona. A career in management that also included a World Cup semi final and several tournament qualifications with England. What he achieved with Ipswich alone is more of an achievement than what Simeone has achieved with A.Madrid and while the legacy, influence and achievements of Busby are not in doubt, Sir Bobby’s was spread around the world at club and international level, domestically and in European competitions. Far succeeding whatever he achieved. Don’t be swayed by the romanticism of Munich... He also ranks higher IMO because of his longevity, ability to work with players of any nationality and pedigree from Romario to Costa Helier and his ability to improve the games of veteran and younger players alike through coaching and man management and not the chequebook. He ranks high on the example he set in terms of sportsmanship, fair play and his commitment to the traditions and values of the game and players, their development, encouraging youth, attacking football, entertaining fans, honouring contracts and his real true legacy, inspiring others to take up management. Mourinho and Guardiola all credit SBR as a massive influence and role model. Simeone better than SBR howay man Busby at least merits debate... Neither merit debate because like I said it's ludicrous, but then you've been underappreciating players and managers on the continent forever on here. A quick glance at Simeone's honours, that's been largely accrued during Messi era Barca and Ronaldo era Real Madrid shows that it completely dwarfs SBR's honours. Daft that that even needs to be said. As for him being better than Sir Matt Busby, likewise and even more so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinitely Content Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Oblak de Gea ter Stegen Alisson Buffon = Courtois They will all do well to reach the heights of Gigi Buffon, but if we're talking present-day... Oblak ter Stegen De Gea Allison Buffon/Courtois (Although I think Ederson is equal to or better than these two so not sure why he's not on the list) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 ter Stegen (can do everything to the highest level) Oblak De Gea Alisson Courtois Buffon They seem to have misspelt obertan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 No Zidane. List is invalid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 He’s there, and way too high Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Ah 22. Don’t agree with everything but the list seems fair. You have those in there for influence (Bielsa). Longevity. Cup wins. Style of play. Feel like Conte brought back 3 at the back across Europe. He certainly did for the PL. For that and his domestic success in Italy and England he’s worth his value in the top 50. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandamninator Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Interesting, guessing it's due to his teens and early career coinciding with Keegan's and SBR teams (plus the Tino game against Barcelona). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 No sense getting bent out of shape about a list with FIFTY people and no clear way to objectively order them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 No sense getting bent out of shape about a list with FIFTY people and no clear way to objectively order them. I love how angry people get at these things. They're a social media dream (always put the RM, FCB, Liv ones lower than they should be for extra outrage and shares). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
summerof69 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Erno erbstein should be there imo created the great Torino team that is still consistent the best in Italian football history. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Where’s Grayson? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Lippi is too low down the list. Only guy who has won everything as manager. No sense getting bent out of shape about a list with FIFTY people and no clear way to objectively order them. This is true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Where’s Alan Pardew? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Klopp shouldn't be above Rafa either kind of surprised he's on it at all tbph Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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