timeEd32 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 He's just making excuses, but the volume of managers and players talking about how difficult the grind of two games every week is increasing. No one wants excuses, least of all Eddie, but it's necessary perspective on this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 13 hours ago, gbandit said: Probably fair in a way, however, they had the squad to compete on multiple fronts and win them all. They just didn’t have the manager he’s full of shit, they were already 15 points ahead by the time of the 2nd leg vs PSG he’s a cunt and a charlatan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 13 points off the bottom three and 13 off the top three. Unless we suddenly stop playing like one of the worst away sides in the league. Then even Europa seems difficult. TBH, if the away form carries on. Top half will be. I feel like the home form is going to need to be close to perfect and we’ve seen cracks appearing there. City and Villa were pretty poor looking back at them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 54 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said: 13 points off the bottom three and 13 off the top three. Unless we suddenly stop playing like one of the worst away sides in the league. Then even Europa seems difficult. TBH, if the away form carries on. Top half will be. I feel like the home form is going to need to be close to perfect and we’ve seen cracks appearing there. City and Villa were pretty poor looking back at them. Away from is also putting more pressure on us at home. We don’t particularly play well there either but manage to get results. Two tricky home games coming up as well, don’t fancy us for 6 points from them tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 54 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said: 13 points off the bottom three and 13 off the top three. Unless we suddenly stop playing like one of the worst away sides in the league. Then even Europa seems difficult. TBH, if the away form carries on. Top half will be. I feel like the home form is going to need to be close to perfect and we’ve seen cracks appearing there. City and Villa were pretty poor looking back at them. I think CL is definitely beyond us because we’re so diabolical away from home. EL is probably still attainable though but we’re going to have to sort ourselves out. The dogshit away form just puts so much pressure on our home form through. Agree with Hope on his latest piece that surely a signing or two this month is worth it to try and help us to the end of the season because we look very jaded at times and the season can still be salvaged in the league with an upturn in form signings might give. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiLvOR Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Think any sort of Europe is gone tbh. Unless we pull off a cup win. Our away from is too shit to get us where we need to be. Maybe we'll be a bit of a "yo-yo" club in terms of getting into Europe one year and not the next for a while. Question will be whether we can retain our stars and unearth some gems while doing this to keep the pressure on and become a consistent European side every year. The summer was a massive let down and we've overspent on pretty much every signing apart from Thiaw imo. Can't keep doing that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 20 minutes ago, ExiledGeordie said: I think CL is definitely beyond us because we’re so diabolical away from home. EL is probably still attainable though but we’re going to have to sort ourselves out. The dogshit away form just puts so much pressure on our home form through. Agree with Hope on his latest piece that surely a signing or two this month is worth it to try and help us to the end of the season because we look very jaded at times and the season can still be salvaged in the league with an upturn in form signings might give. I just don’t see where decent, competent away performances and results suddenly come from though? We look no closer to figuring out how to get a result on the road. 12 league games in and we have one decent performance, one alright one at Burnley where the result was all that mattered, as we were desperate. Oh and 35 minutes last night 3 out of our 7 away games left are rough and at places we never get results. City, Arsenal and Chelsea. We should surely be targeting wins at Spurs and Palace with how they’ve been this season. But then how can you have any confidence with how we play? Forest and Fulham are the last two. Is unacceptable too strong of a word to use for our away form? I’m not sure it is? as I think the performances have been that bad. It may end up costing Howe his job come the end of the season. On the whole. We’ve just not been a good team for most of the season in the league. Bar Europe and some of the cup games. It’s been frustrating as fuck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 18 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said: I just don’t see where decent, competent away performances and results suddenly come from though? We look no closer to figuring out how to get a result on the road. 12 league games in and we have one decent performance, one alright one at Burnley where the result was all that mattered, as we were desperate. Oh and 35 minutes last night 3 out of our 7 away games left are rough and at places we never get results. City, Arsenal and Chelsea. We should surely be targeting wins at Spurs and Palace with how they’ve been this season. But then how can you have any confidence with how we play? Forest and Fulham are the last two. Is unacceptable too strong of a word to use for our away form? I’m not sure it is? as I think the performances have been that bad. It may end up costing Howe his job come the end of the season. On the whole. We’ve just not been a good team for most of the season in the league. Bar Europe and some of the cup games. It’s been frustrating as fuck. We aren’t getting CL, we’re just not good enough, EL is still attainable if we can maintain home and try and pick up a few points away from home. Out league form and overall level of play this season in the main has been stinking though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 If "good" means consistent, then yes, we're not good enough for CL. We're very good on our day, one was four days ago and yesterday was good for 40 minutes, they are just not frequent enough. The saving grace is that the rest of the league aren't very good, so we don't need that much improvement to challenge for the lower European places. Get Bruno back in, and try to regroup. This month is crazy for fixtures so maybe best to keep expectations low for the time being. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallumG6 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Can forget CL, even if the top 5 do qualify, we’ll be nowhere near. Europa League is still achievable, but away performances will make or break that. Would give us a 50/50 chance of that. Conference League is certainly achievable and whilst not being the most fashionable of comps, it’s still a European trophy if we were to win it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
janpawel Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 What happens if we get 5 UCL places due to the English coefficient and.... Arsenal / an English team win the CL Villa win the Europa Palace win the conference league And teams who finish in the European places in the PL, win the domestic cups Just wondering how many additional places could get Europe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guillaume Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Top 6 out the window this year, let's hope 7th gets us into the Conference league and we'll win that next year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 4 minutes ago, Guillaume said: Top 6 out the window this year, let's hope 7th gets us into the Conference league and we'll win that next year. Take it and go on to win it. Bare minimum we can do the next 2 seasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 We need to get some kind of European football to get our coefficient up. Tottenham and Villa's are much higher from them playing in some kind of European competition more often. https://www.uefa.com/nationalassociations/uefarankings/club/?year=2026 Opta said Spurs had the easiest fixtures in the group stage. We had the fourth hardest. Hard fixtures mean less ability to rotate. Unless its us winning it, presumably the Conference place to the Carabao winner will go to the league. Arsenal, Chelsea and City will qualify for Europa or better through the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Co-efficient doesn't really mean much in this format? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Displayname Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 56 minutes ago, Guillaume said: Top 6 out the window this year, let's hope 7th gets us into the Conference league and we'll win that next year. Rather not throw another PL season for the chance of winning the Conferance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyc35i Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 (edited) The top half has been divided into 3 mini leagues. The top 3 are fighting out for the title and then there’s another battle with 3rd - 6th going for the champions league. Our away form puts un in the next group from 7th-13th. Hopefully we can finish the top of that group and the cup competitions could mean Europa League is actually 7th place Edited February 1 by andyc35i Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 17 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: Co-efficient doesn't really mean much in this format? I assumed out of hope it was why we'd had a relatively hard draw, but it was probably just NUFC luck in draws, which trumps all other factors. Do teams with higher coefficients still get more money, because that would be nice? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 hour ago, Displayname said: Rather not throw another PL season for the chance of winning the Conferance. A season with no European football whatsoever would be regarded as a failure by everyone including Eddie Howe. We'd probably end up having to sell the better players who are in demand, so I imagine that would mean Tonali and Livramento would be away, and possibly Lewis Hall as well. It would mean next summer would be more or less a rebuild rather than the progression we would have aimed for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 hour ago, Displayname said: Rather not throw another PL season for the chance of winning the Conferance. You’d like to think due to the quality of the sides in the Conference League and that there’s 6 matches in the league stage as opposed to 8 we could rotate a lot more for those matches. If we’re needing players like Bruno to be able beat the likes of Shamrock Rovers, Shkendija and Dynamo Eastern Bloc Bunch of Letters then we have serious problems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Displayname Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 hour ago, TRon said: A season with no European football whatsoever would be regarded as a failure by everyone including Eddie Howe. We'd probably end up having to sell the better players who are in demand, so I imagine that would mean Tonali and Livramento would be away, and possibly Lewis Hall as well. It would mean next summer would be more or less a rebuild rather than the progression we would have aimed for. We probably need funding for another rebuild anyways. Slow progression brick by brick went out the window this summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 EL is likely to be a couple points shy of CL. If CL is gone so is EL. Our end to the season is tough. A lot of the difficult games are away. We’ll do well to get 59 points. That’s 9th or so. If we can squeeze past Villa we just go all in on the FA Cup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 10 hours ago, Stottie said: We need to get some kind of European football to get our coefficient up. Tottenham and Villa's are much higher from them playing in some kind of European competition more often. https://www.uefa.com/nationalassociations/uefarankings/club/?year=2026 Opta said Spurs had the easiest fixtures in the group stage. We had the fourth hardest. Hard fixtures mean less ability to rotate. Unless its us winning it, presumably the Conference place to the Carabao winner will go to the league. Arsenal, Chelsea and City will qualify for Europa or better through the league. What does that matter anymore for the CL? Everyone faces 2x seeds 1-4 now. There was only 5 clubs English teams could face from Pot 1 this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Competitively speaking the coefficient is basically meaningless now. It does still determine some of the payout, though less than it used to. The value pillar is from European and non-European TV payouts and is based on how much a country's broadcasts are putting in plus a club's coefficient. The first part means every English club ranks pretty well, but then we rank low among the 36 in 5 year coefficient. The other English clubs are getting €10-20m more than us for that portion of the payments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guillaume Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 13 hours ago, Displayname said: Rather not throw another PL season for the chance of winning the Conferance. I don't think we'll 'throw it' - we just aren't consistently good enough to catch up with that top 6. 7th is the best we'll get, IMO of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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