Sheffield Wednesday 2-1 Newcastle United (07/01/2023)

[Wawaw]

5 minutes ago, Danh1 said:

Sick of hearing about this tbf. Seems like the only people still bringing it up are Sheff Wed fans weirdly though. Not looking for a bite or owt from the lads who’ve joined either. 

Wouldn’t need too if the stupid tweet wasn’t made. Always thought your fans were ok, in fact a pal ex owl went too an away match at yours and ended up supporting Newcastle ?

but we get sick of our club being dragged through the mud. It’s been on sky sports, 5 live bbc so of course we’re going to be objective to false claims. 

[chainbridge]

Daft outdated ground that isn't fit for purpose.

 

 

Edited January 13, 2023 by chainbridge

[Wawaw]

16 minutes ago, chainbridge said:

Daft outdated ground that isn't fit for purpose.

 

11 minutes ago, TheDimpleboy said:

 

I wasn't there this time round, but I did go when we played you in the championship (and you won comfortably).

 

It's the only time I've ever felt unsafe on a football concourse, was getting uncomfortably squashed to the point where I struggled to catch my breath  while queueing for a pint. Never experienced anything like it anywhere, at 50+ other grounds, in much bigger crowds.

 

I'd suggest there's definitely an issue with concourse dimensions and the flow of fans through the turnstiles into the ground. The stewards were also incredibly flippant and SYP were their usual antagonist self (and indeed got a few vans of Northumbria police to come down to support their operation, despite already having a huge and OTT police presence in and around the ground).

 

I'd not be surprised at all if things were worse last week with a larger allocation.

 

Find it absolutely mental that Sheff Wed fans are getting angry about reporting potential H&S issues like. Shows the very worst of football fan mentality.

You mention football fan mentality, is your opinion the same when it comes to fans mentality with regards to being out drinking all day then 1 minute before kick off trying to get into the ground all at once,  not going too there allocated seats and just try stand behind the goal blocking the entrance?

   Our fans are the same. 

 

 

Edited January 13, 2023 by Wawaw

[HaydnNUFC]

It doesn't matter how many stewards worked the game. Calibre, training and knowledge is far more important than quantity. 

 

Newcastle fans were not consulted about turnstiles opening early yet they were impacted anyway. It wasn't advertised anywhere.

 

Timing of fan arrivals is habitual and should be planned for accordingly. If a stand can't operate to accommodate normal habits of fans then it's in need of a redesign.

 

And that's no slight on SWFC.

[Danh1]

40 minutes ago, Wawaw said:

Wouldn’t need too if the stupid tweet wasn’t made. Always thought your fans were ok, in fact a pal ex owl went too an away match at yours and ended up supporting Newcastle ?

but we get sick of our club being dragged through the mud. It’s been on sky sports, 5 live bbc so of course we’re going to be objective to false claims. 

Why are you so upset over it? Genuine question. There are daft articles all the time, snippets of the wet chinned bellends on TalkSport making fucking ridiculous comments and claims all of the time. It is part and parcel of football, having to read and listen to what you perceive as bullshit.

 

I wasn’t there so can’t comment, even if I was I’d have been more annoyed about the sitters we pissed away than what has been said. Give me a Hillsborough over somewhere like the Emirates or Reebok Stadium any day. 

 

[Wawaw]

10 minutes ago, TheDimpleboy said:

 

The problem with your argument about "turning up at the last minute" is that:

 

1. It doesn't matter when fans turn up, clubs have a corporate responsibility to ensure the welfare of supporters. If I don't want to stand on a concourse for an hour before the game drinking cold, flat lager, then that's totally ok, and doesn't somehow shift that responsibility from the club to me. (And realistically most fans at away games get there at least a good 30 mins prior to KO).

 

2. This issue hasn't occured at any other ground (with the exception of Leeds, who had 2 working turnstiles for an entire away end, one of which kept malfunctioning).

“It doesn't matter when fans turn up, clubs have a corporate responsibility to ensure the welfare of supporters.”

agree, and the club went above and beyond, look at previous my first post that outlined this.

 

“This issue hasn't occured at any other ground” 

I don’t believe that, it happened to us at the stain playing piggy’s. Nothing was made of it though.

 

anyway I’m off. good luck for rest of the season.

[Tsunami]

11 hours ago, Wawaw said:

1 cage ? When was this?

They called them pens. You basically got herded into a pen and once that was  heaving they’d open another. They’d leave half the Leppings Lane empty if they could cram you in the other half.

[madras]

13 minutes ago, Tsunami said:

They called them pens. You basically got herded into a pen and once that was  heaving they’d open another. They’d leave half the Leppings Lane empty if they could cram you in the other half.

Used to regularly happen at Old Trafford as well 

[Wawaw]

Looks as though, as suspected a load of rubbish. Talks of the risk factors of alcohol too.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64331470 

[elbee909]

41 minutes ago, Wawaw said:

Looks as though, as suspected a load of rubbish. Talks of the risk factors of alcohol too.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64331470 

 

Look forward to the results of the investigation. A little surprised the people in charge of security are downplaying it already, but would be premature to second guess.

[et tu brute]

1 hour ago, Wawaw said:

Looks as though, as suspected a load of rubbish. Talks of the risk factors of alcohol too.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64331470 

Obviously some of our fans have stated it isn't a load of rubbish whether you like that or not. Unless you were actually in the away end, then I don't think you're in a position to comment. 

[Wawaw]

Obviously some of our fans have stated it isn't a load of rubbish whether you like that or not. Unless you were actually in the away end, then I don't think you're in a position to comment. 

 

Newcastle fans commenting on 1989 semi, does your logic on not in a position to comment on that apply?

 

 

Edited January 20, 2023 by Wawaw

[Hanshithispantz]

You can comment on anything you want, the point is the people who were there have said there was crushing.

 

Not sure why they would lie? 

[Shearergol]

2 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said:

You can comment on anything you want, the point is the people who were there have said there was crushing.

 

Not sure why they would lie? 

 

I heard our fans were getting in without tickets and pissing on the dead.

[Kid Icarus]

The 1989 semi final that for years many who weren't there wrongly blamed on Liverpool fans until the full facts were known? Yeah I'd say et tu's point very much applies there.

 

No idea what your goal is here, you seem desperate to write off the experiences of our supporters who were there, without yourself knowing the facts. Until we do, unless you were there you know fuck all for certain.

 

 

Edited January 20, 2023 by Kid Icarus

[80]

It's not like we've gone down with a plot to do a number on Sheffield Wednesday's stadium, over some hard feelings towards Guy Whittingham from a quarter of a century ago or something.

[UncleBingo]

I remember a bad crush there in 1987 when we played there, pretty scary as a young lad. It's a really poorly designed stand, I still can't belive they haven't done anything to it since the disaster.

[christ]

Just flatten the Leppings Lane end and be done with it. Death trap.

[Shearergol]

Just now, christ said:

Just flatten Sheffield

 

[et tu brute]

2 hours ago, Wawaw said:

Obviously some of our fans have stated it isn't a load of rubbish whether you like that or not. Unless you were actually in the away end, then I don't think you're in a position to comment. 

 

Newcastle fans commenting on 1989 semi, does your logic on not in a position to comment on that apply?

 

 

 

I'll stick to the game two weeks ago thanks. 

[Disco]

1 hour ago, UncleBingo said:

I still can't belive they haven't done anything to it since the disaster.

Has always struck me as incredibly odd and macabre it wasn’t totally flattened and rebuilt during the early Taylor Report upgrades for grounds. 

[Coffee_Johnny]

1 minute ago, Disco said:

Has always struck me as incredibly odd and macabre it wasn’t totally flattened and rebuilt during the early Taylor Report upgrades for grounds. 

I know. Even if just out of respect. 

[RS]

Why are sheff wed fans getting bent out of shape about a safety concern?  It’s not a slight against them or even their club. It’s about how their owners and their facilities team manage the known issue there. 
I’ve always had a soft spot for the Owls and their supporters but fuck me these posters are of precious mofo’s

 

 

Edited January 20, 2023 by RS

[Abacus]

The response in that BBC article is pretty shocking, like. It starts off saying the EFL have full confidence in Wednesday's safety procedures, before stating;

 

... Bob Eastwood said blaming dangerous overcrowding was "premature". Speaking in front of MPs at a committee meeting about safety at football, Eastwood, the head of security operations at the English Football League (EFL), added: "The club have done a very quick debrief of their operation and have already instigated a number of measures in order to reduce some of the issues that caused some concerns for some fans, which didn't amount to overcrowding

At this moment in time I think it's a little premature to agree with media and social media reports that there was overcrowding."

 

I wasn't there and don't much care about Wednesday one way or the other (quite liked them with Waddle in fact so no axe to grind), but that response makes no sense.

 

1. We have no concerns.
2. Let's not be premature about having any concerns before we've had a full investigation. 

 

How can points 1 and 2 be squared?

 

3. Ahead of a full investigation, the club have done a very quick debrief.
4. There are already a number of new measures in place as a result of that

 

Why put in new measures as a result if there was nothing wrong to start with? Why conclude there are no issues  on the basis of a quick 'debrief' - is that not also premature?

 

In fact, does it not suggest that "some fans" had a legitimate point?

Also, "some of the issues", "some of the concerns"? That's infuriating.

 

So, they acknowledge they haven't even addressed all the points in their "quick debrief", despite already apparently making several changes that presumably weren't even needed.

 

And why say that this "didn't amount to overcrowding" definitively - before you've checked properly? Is that not totally premature? Whereas people's real experience that there was overcrowding in real time is dismissed as being exactly that? I know which response is more potentially dangerous.
 

Any Wednesday fans using that to reflexively defend their club need to give their heads a shake, because whether there was overcrowding or not, that explanation is nonsense.

[Skeletor]

6 minutes ago, RS said:

Why are sheff wed fans getting bent out of shape about a safety concern?  It’s not a slight against them or even their club. It’s about how their owners and their facilities team manage the known issue there. 
I’ve always had a soft spot for the Owls and their supporter but fuck me these posters are a couple of precious mofo’s

 

Probably because they've had over 30 years to fix the last one and are clearly incompetent at best.