The College Dropout Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 I don’t blame Howe for Anderson’s development. Anderson should’ve been loaned out last season but Shelvey was injured and then sold without replacement so we kept Anderson has backup. Ideal world we sign 2 midfielders this season and Anderson goes on loan somewhere like Luton and plays regularly. But again too many games, not enough numbers. Miley is what 17? He doesn’t necessarily need to play adult pro football regularly. He needs to baseline his professionalism. Next season both really need to be regulars somewhere for their own development. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holloway Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 Hoy the big confident lump in there for some cup games,see how he fares Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Conjo said: Miley surprised everyone since his first appearance for us how good and composed he looks and is not allowed to go out on loan (which I agreed with, on the assumption he would be somewhat involved in the first team picture), yet isn't even on the bench as an option. We are not going to send a 16 year old kid out on loan nor should we, first team picture or not. Edited September 7, 2023 by Pata Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 @WillDanceForChocolate Any insight? What was Howe like at bringing youth through at Bournemouth? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 1 hour ago, andycap said: Anderson was by far our best player in pre season like and not just because of his goals either. He ripped through villas backline and was doing great against brightons aswell. So this premier leagues a step up nonsense doesn't hold weight in my opinion. It's just an excuse for why he ain't getting picked. You don't believe matches in the PL are of a greater intensity and of a higher skill level than a couple of friendlies in the USA? Fucking hell man. This really is the Elias Sorensen debate all over again. Anderson has had a few opportunities and he's done okay in most of them, but there's not one instance that's made us sit up and think that he is the one, he's the guy who's going to get us that third place finish, he's the guy who's going to make the difference in the cup final. He's not a bad player, he's just not as good as 6 or 7 other midfielders we have at the club right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Dr.Spaceman said: You don't believe matches in the PL are of a greater intensity and of a higher skill level than a couple of friendlies in the USA? Fucking hell man. This really is the Elias Sorensen debate all over again. Anderson has had a few opportunities and he's done okay in most of them, but there's not one instance that's made us sit up and think that he is the one, he's the guy who's going to get us that third place finish, he's the guy who's going to make the difference in the cup final. He's not a bad player, he's just not as good as 6 or 7 other midfielders we have at the club right now. Not a single person has said this afaik. Of course he isn't....but he's better than a wounded Joelinton who hasn't been physically able to do what he's done so great for us the last 1.5 season. It doesn't bode well for recruitment within if Howe has more faith in theJoelinton we've seen so far this season, who if I read correctly wasn't in shape to train between the Liverpool and Brighton game, than an Anderson who's done everything that's been asked of him, performed well in pre-season and then some. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 3 hours ago, Matt1892 said: Before the season I thought he should have gone out on loan due to knowing he was unlikely to get the minutes needed for him to develop properly, I didn’t consider him starting as I knew it was unlikely to happen. I don’t really rate Joelinton as a midfielder and his best position last season was wide left, so he would be the obvious one to move out. I think Anderson will get plenty minutes this season fwiw and balance that with also training with top Premier players instead of the likes of Bradley Dack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 5 minutes ago, Conjo said: Not a single person has said this afaik. Of course he isn't....but he's better than a wounded Joelinton who hasn't been physically able to do what he's done so great for us the last 1.5 season. It doesn't bode well for recruitment within if Howe has more faith in theJoelinton we've seen so far this season, who if I read correctly wasn't in shape to train between the Liverpool and Brighton game, than an Anderson who's done everything that's been asked of him, performed well in pre-season and then some. I don't rate him as a PL player whatsoever at his current level, so have to disagree. We should have loaned him to a decent Championship club. Guy went from tearing up L2 (one level above Gateshead...) to being a bit part in the PL.... definitely feels like he's missed a step in his development. Guy's nowhere near Joelinton's level, not even close. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 I repeat he was our best player in pre season so in my opinion should be first of the bench for midfield. Or even starting if joelinton isn't fit. He links up well on the left with the left forward and Isak. I rate the lad he's only really lacking in pace. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 20 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said: I don't rate him as a PL player whatsoever at his current level, so have to disagree. We should have loaned him to a decent Championship club. Guy went from tearing up L2 (one level above Gateshead...) to being a bit part in the PL.... definitely feels like he's missed a step in his development. Guy's nowhere near Joelinton's level, not even close. Agree that he's not close to Joelinton's level when fit. If you watched the Brighton game in particular and thought how Joelinton performed was better than what Anderson would have if he had started...well...I wouldn't agree with that, to put it as nicely as I can Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 A good old fashioned 'agree to disagree', I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCK Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 (edited) Someone tell this lad to calm down Edited September 27, 2023 by OCK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 On 07/09/2023 at 10:54, Matt1892 said: Transfermarkt says he played 395 minutes over 22 appearances which isn’t great, as over 150 of those was in the last 2 games of the season. He then was the outstanding player of ours from pre season and arguably deserved a start, yet is back on the bench with our midfield struggling. I see Anderson as a player whose career will drift away and we will be talking about how he wasn’t good enough, when I think he could be if handled better, which might have been a loan away to get some serious game time. Still mad about Anderson? Two straight Premier League starts + 20 minutes at the San Siro. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 2 hours ago, timeEd32 said: Still mad about Anderson? Two straight Premier League starts + 20 minutes at the San Siro. He has been given a long overdue opportunity albeit through injury and is showing what he can do, hopefully he can retain his position on his performances. The important point being he had to wait for a number of injuries to get his chance, when he should have been trusted with starts in the starting eleven before this point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 Difficult for him but he is good with the ball. 10/10 passes completed and only lost possession twice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon No9 Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 Good to see him getting some minutes! It will do him good and he will learn so much from it. Going to be a good player for sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 Huge game to play at his age and hopefully he will learn a lot from it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 Probably the wrong game to play him in given how little of the ball we had with the benefit of hindsight but it’s the only chance to play him realistically so what else can you do. Get him out on loan after the FA Cup 3rd/4th round in Jan me thinks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 26 minutes ago, Smal said: Difficult for him but he is good with the ball. 10/10 passes completed and only lost possession twice. Would have had no issues with him staying on second half. Thought he looked shockingly composed. Not at all surprised his numbers were so good. Think this guy is going to be very very good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 He’ll never have to work as hard defensively against any other team. It wasn’t his fault, it was just one way traffic. Did his job and we didn’t concede. You can point to Bruno coming on but Gordon for Hall was the bigger upgrade. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 Hard to comment. Spent 45 minutes chasing shadows. Valuable experience though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 3 hours ago, Disco said: Probably the wrong game to play him in given how little of the ball we had with the benefit of hindsight but it’s the only chance to play him realistically so what else can you do. Get him out on loan after the FA Cup 3rd/4th round in Jan me thinks. Not really. The experience gained by playing against the best team in the world is invaluable for his age. We even got the win. Couldn’t ask for more Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDog Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 8 minutes ago, Zero said: Not really. The experience gained by playing against the best team in the world is invaluable for his age. We even got the win. Couldn’t ask for more I don't think anyone in their right mind would disagree that they are the best team in the world, but we should also concede they played a weakened/rotated squad. That said, their second 11 is better than some EPL teams starting 11. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 He very much looked like a 17 year old central midfielder coming up against Man City and a midfield of Phillips and Kovatic. Not really a whole lot to learn, but its a great bit of experience for him that will aid in his development. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M1tche Posted September 28, 2023 Share Posted September 28, 2023 I think it was the perfect game to play him in. The lad clearly has talent and technical ability, so having him experience top level physicality and the pace of the game will do he wonders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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