Matt1892 Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 1 minute ago, STM said: From a logical point of view, how well would Minteh have to do at Feyernood for us to consider playing him in our first team next year? He'd have to absolutely tear the Dutch league apart, and even then it wouldn't be a guarantee. On the other hand, if he can do well enough to grab the attention of a few scouts across Europe's... shall we say, more average sides... we might well get a half decent fee for him 9? 12? 15m? It's massive for us, if we can start getting the conveyer belt moving. It's the same reason why we are signing up all the best domestic youngsters, if they don't make it with us, you can get a champo club to take them and slap a 25% sell on into the deal. I don’t think we are signing them specifically to sell them, the aim is that they become good enough for the first team as we can’t keep buying proven players but if they don’t make the grade they will be sold. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 Like it or not Chelsea are the masters at it. Sent Colwill on loan to Brighton as part of being "fleeced" over Cucarella. Brighton then turned Colwill into a 50m CB and Chelsea got him back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Matt1892 said: I don’t think we are signing them specifically to sell them, the aim is that they become good enough for the first team as we can’t keep buying proven players but if they don’t make the grade they will be sold. I think there's a clear calculation on our part. When we sign them, I bet its not "will they be good enough for us?", but more "how much will they be worth in 3 years?" If they turn out to be good enough for us, fantastic but I'm fairly certain it's now part of our strategy to start farming players. Saliba is a great example of how every now and then you can discover a golden nugget. I don't think Arsenal had any intention of keeping him until he started smashing it in France. I bet they were as surprised as anyone. Edit: Hadn't realised Arsenal spent 27m on Saliba. Probably not a great example. Still he was 19 and has doubled in price, possibly trebled. Edited July 31, 2023 by STM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 51 minutes ago, STM said: On the other hand, if he can do well enough to grab the attention of a few scouts across Europe's... shall we say, more average sides... we might well get a half decent fee for him 9? 12? 15m? Didn’t we pay 7m for Minteh? I can’t see us selling him after one season for such a marginal gain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 6 hours ago, kingxlnc said: If you look at last season, it was only Pope and Botman that had been bought by this point (Targett was on loan so already here). So it wasn't spectacular in terms of spending UNTIL we got Isak. If we had gotten Joao Pedro, it would have been solid instead of spectacular as a window. But it took us to 4th. The point is, Tonali is the Botman, and Barnes is the Pope - both very very good signings. So I do think an Isak equivalent is on the cards still to come in - perhaps at RW. It's becoming clearer that Tierney is on his way out - so honestly, a loan to buy there should be an absolute no-brainer (and could be the Targett equivalent - relative to where we are now). Last season it was abundantly clear we were under ffp limit, not so much now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 Hall seems a bit of a non-starter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 Loan with obligation would do Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 Based on the reporting, it doesn't seems like Chelsea have much interest in selling at this point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 10 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Loan with obligation would do Chelsea are no mugs on the selling side of their operation. Getting Hall without vastly overpaying was never on the cards, especially to what they will consider a top CL competitor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 Does it not feel like we seem the only club affected by FFP? Chelsea - no CL, Spending, Liverpool - no CL, Spending, Villa - no CL, Spending Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 Just now, duo said: Does it not feel like we seem the only club affected by FFP? Chelsea - no CL, Spending, Liverpool - no CL, Spending, Villa - no CL, Spending Chelsea - Way more commercial revenue plus have brought in about £200-250m in sales Liverpool - Way more commercial revenue plus sold Henderson & Fabinho, also haven't spent much more than us Villa - Sold Grealish for £100m few seasons back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 Just now, duo said: Does it not feel like we seem the only club affected by FFP? Chelsea - no CL, Spending, Liverpool - no CL, Spending, Villa - no CL, Spending Look at their other revenue. Chelsea and Liverpool loads of advertising/sponsorship revenue. Villa have at least 130mill of clear profit transfer sales in the past 3 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, duo said: Does it not feel like we seem the only club affected by FFP? Chelsea - no CL, Spending, Liverpool - no CL, Spending, Villa - no CL, Spending This question getting floated daily is starting to grind my gears. It’s been covered dozens and dozens of times already. All of those clubs sell players for massive profits. We don’t. Grealish alone bought Villa like what? three seasons? of essentially unlimited spending. They’re also all much further along in commercial deals than we currently are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 22 minutes ago, cubaricho said: This question getting floated daily is starting to grind my gears. It’s been covered dozens and dozens of times already. All of those clubs sell players for massive profits. We don’t. Grealish alone bought Villa like what? three seasons? of essentially unlimited spending. They’re also all much further along in commercial deals than we currently are. Can we not just move FFP brick by brick to Beamish? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenC Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE27 Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 Don't care what anyone says, I love the Beamish line man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 49 minutes ago, duo said: Does it not feel like we seem the only club affected by FFP? Chelsea - no CL, Spending, Liverpool - no CL, Spending, Villa - no CL, Spending No, we just bring in far less commercial revenue and/or don't have sellable assets we can afford to get rid of. Have a look at Wolves and Everton for when it's not managed well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tisd09 Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 If we can secure CL for another season I think we could see a big difference, another season of increased revenues, you'd assume better commercial deals plus some of our good players I'd imagine we would be in a position to move on. Looking at the money PIF are throwing around in Saudi can you imagine the type of deals we would be in for of FFP wasn't an issue. This feels more organic and ultimately will be more satisfying if we do win something but is frustrating and it feels like we have one arm tied behind our backs so to speak. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 I'm a bit surprised that we've only added two players so far. In a way we've improved the depth of our squad with +1 only. Still time before the window closes and most important is to get the right players in obviously. I just thought we'd attack" the window slightly more agressively. Howe would have wanted more players in early, like every other manager wants for preseason. Prices have gone bananas doesn't help really. Hopefully we can get the numbers and quality in before the end. As of now it's looking rather thin in a few areas. Can't wait for some new players to add to this squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 5 minutes ago, Ikon said: I'm a bit surprised that we've only added two players so far. In a way we've improved the depth of our squad with +1 only. Still time before the window closes and most important is to get the right players in obviously. I just thought we'd attack" the window slightly more agressively. Howe would have wanted more players in early, like every other manager wants for preseason. Prices have gone bananas doesn't help really. Hopefully we can get the numbers and quality in before the end. As of now it's looking rather thin in a few areas. Can't wait for some new players to add to this squad. Aye. We don’t look to be addressing RW. Early in the window we were looking at 2x CMs that seems to have gone - maybe partially down to Anderson’s development over the summer. We’ve had some links over the whole back line. But most of these have been for youngsters who probably don’t start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 6 minutes ago, Ikon said: I'm a bit surprised that we've only added two players so far. In a way we've improved the depth of our squad with +1 only. Still time before the window closes and most important is to get the right players in obviously. I just thought we'd attack" the window slightly more agressively. Howe would have wanted more players in early, like every other manager wants for preseason. Prices have gone bananas doesn't help really. Hopefully we can get the numbers and quality in before the end. As of now it's looking rather thin in a few areas. Can't wait for some new players to add to this squad. If you consider Tonali the Shelvey replacement (upgrade) we’ve not actually added to the numbers at all. What we do have though is versatility and I assume Howe is quite happy relying on a smallish group of players who play a lot of games, ad he has shown by being slow to introduce players after coming in or back from injury. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gleebals Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 14 hours ago, Tisd09 said: If we can secure CL for another season I think we could see a big difference, another season of increased revenues, you'd assume better commercial deals plus some of our good players I'd imagine we would be in a position to move on. Looking at the money PIF are throwing around in Saudi can you imagine the type of deals we would be in for of FFP wasn't an issue. This feels more organic and ultimately will be more satisfying if we do win something but is frustrating and it feels like we have one arm tied behind our backs so to speak. Agree. Years and years of extremely poor management, lack of investment and terrible decisions are ultimately to blame, not FFP. The club was totally fucked when they took over. We had got to the point where we had virtually no players of any resale value. Howe has improved many of the players he inherited but aside Joelinton the rest are not at their peak in terms of sale value or age (Wilson, Almiron etc). Obviously some of the new players who came in (Botman, Bruno etc) have the potential to significantly increase in value. We have to accept that selling will be one way of playing catch up, so if a big bid came in for Bruno for example at the end of this season, I think we would have to seriously look at it. We just have to trust there is a pipeline of younger players with significant potential on the radar to support this model. Commercial revenue will also take a while to build as well.. Success on the pitch will certainly help with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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r0cafella Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 Just now, SUPERTOON said: Going higher than our current offer, hmmm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 Need to stop with this nonsense of Livramento and Trippier potentially playing left back - both are right backs - end of Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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