Shak Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 46 minutes ago, nufc123 said: And Barnes for that matter. Mainly left isnt he Chiesa. Had a look at this before and if transfermrkt is to be believed he's played more and been more productive when played on the right. https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/federico-chiesa/leistungsdaten/spieler/341092/plus/0?saison=ges Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Decky said: Oh no doubt they are very well run. I just never would have predicted Villa being the team going toe to toe with us at the start. I would probably have seen it being Leicester, a team that was in and around the top 7/8 in recent years. Mental to think that they're not in the top flight anymore. They didn't look so well run a year ago when Stevie G was running them down the pan. Amazing the difference just appointing a decent manager can do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, TRon said: They didn't look so well run a year ago when Stevie G was running them down the pan. Amazing the difference just appointing a decent manager can do. Who’d have thunk it! Edited July 31, 2023 by PauloGeordio Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 12 minutes ago, STM said: I'm convinced the reason we are signing the likes of Minteh and Kuol is in order to flip them for a profit. Been thinking that for a while now as well. It's not what we are used to, but it's how Ashworth operated at Brighton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 1 minute ago, TRon said: They didn't look so well run a year ago when Stevie G was running them down the pan. Amazing the difference just appointing a decent manager can do. In fairness they took a punt on Gerrard when it looked like he might be a half decent manager and it just didn't work out. Were we not looking at him at the time too? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaztoon Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 14 minutes ago, STM said: I'm convinced the reason we are signing the likes of Minteh and Kuol is in order to flip them for a profit. Good, pure profit for FFP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 Stevie G and Brendan Rodgers, not exactly adverts for transferable managerial expertise in SPL. Makes you wonder what Tottenham are doing.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWMag Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 7 minutes ago, TRC said: Love to see a break down of this, 1 massive sale keeps gives them seemingly unlimited funds? Pretty much, grealish cost them zero as he came from their academy. They sold him for 100 million. That’s an extra 100 million allowed in the 3 year ffp period, and when you factor in outgoings are amortised, they could effectively sign 3 £50 million players on 5 year deals, and they grealish money would pretty much cover the fee and wages for the first :l3 years. Then factor in you can have another £105 million losses on top, they could do it twice Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 I think we would all like a few more signings to cope with the extra games this season, but i think I'd be a lot more pissed off if I was an Everton, Spurs, West Ham or Sheff Utd fan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 10 minutes ago, Decky said: In fairness they took a punt on Gerrard when it looked like he might be a half decent manager and it just didn't work out. Were we not looking at him at the time too? I hope not. One of the biggest endorsements of our running of the club under this regime is we targeted both Emery and Howe, both have turned out to be brilliant choices. If we did approach Gerrard, hopefully one interview with the dimwit will have made us look elsewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonBez comesock Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 28 minutes ago, STM said: I'm convinced the reason we are signing the likes of Minteh and Kuol is in order to flip them for a profit. It’s a a no brainier if they excel on loan - you try them in the first team in the cup competitions If they do well but not up to (our) first team standard you look to sell on with a bit of profit. if they kick on , you’ve bought a bargain at a low price that saves us big dollar on the transfer market either or Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 1 hour ago, STM said: I'm convinced the reason we are signing the likes of Minteh and Kuol is in order to flip them for a profit. Yeah I agree. I’m sure some of these buys will make it to the first team but I think the majority of them will be sold on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Shak said: Had a look at this before and if transfermrkt is to be believed he's played more and been more productive when played on the right. https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/federico-chiesa/leistungsdaten/spieler/341092/plus/0?saison=ges Those goals from the right... I can just imagine me calling up a talk show in 15 years time. "The first point Id like to make is about Federico, he played for Newcastle United, quite a few years ago..." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezertron Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 I hope we at least hope that the youth we buy have a chance to make the first team, should things go right. Can't say I'd love doing it the way Chelsea do it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 From a logical point of view, how well would Minteh have to do at Feyernood for us to consider playing him in our first team next year? He'd have to absolutely tear the Dutch league apart, and even then it wouldn't be a guarantee. On the other hand, if he can do well enough to grab the attention of a few scouts across Europe's... shall we say, more average sides... we might well get a half decent fee for him 9? 12? 15m? It's massive for us, if we can start getting the conveyer belt moving. It's the same reason why we are signing up all the best domestic youngsters, if they don't make it with us, you can get a champo club to take them and slap a 25% sell on into the deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 Villa flogged that young centre mid to Chelsea aswell for about 30 million. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 Chukuewemeka or something like that 😂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 Just now, andycap said: Chukuewemeka or something like that 😂 Aye thats 130m for Grealish and him. No wonder that Villa are hoying the cash around. Their FFP balance is probably healthy as fuck for a few years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 1 minute ago, STM said: From a logical point of view, how well would Minteh have to do at Feyernood for us to consider playing him in our first team next year? He'd have to absolutely tear the Dutch league apart, and even then it wouldn't be a guarantee. On the other hand, if he can do well enough to grab the attention of a few scouts across Europe's... shall we say, more average sides... we might well get a half decent fee for him 9? 12? 15m? It's massive for us, if we can start getting the conveyer belt moving. It's the same reason why we are signing up all the best domestic youngsters, if they don't make it with us, you can get a champo club to take them and slap a 25% sell on into the deal. I don’t think we are signing them specifically to sell them, the aim is that they become good enough for the first team as we can’t keep buying proven players but if they don’t make the grade they will be sold. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 Like it or not Chelsea are the masters at it. Sent Colwill on loan to Brighton as part of being "fleeced" over Cucarella. Brighton then turned Colwill into a 50m CB and Chelsea got him back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Matt1892 said: I don’t think we are signing them specifically to sell them, the aim is that they become good enough for the first team as we can’t keep buying proven players but if they don’t make the grade they will be sold. I think there's a clear calculation on our part. When we sign them, I bet its not "will they be good enough for us?", but more "how much will they be worth in 3 years?" If they turn out to be good enough for us, fantastic but I'm fairly certain it's now part of our strategy to start farming players. Saliba is a great example of how every now and then you can discover a golden nugget. I don't think Arsenal had any intention of keeping him until he started smashing it in France. I bet they were as surprised as anyone. Edit: Hadn't realised Arsenal spent 27m on Saliba. Probably not a great example. Still he was 19 and has doubled in price, possibly trebled. Edited July 31, 2023 by STM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 51 minutes ago, STM said: On the other hand, if he can do well enough to grab the attention of a few scouts across Europe's... shall we say, more average sides... we might well get a half decent fee for him 9? 12? 15m? Didn’t we pay 7m for Minteh? I can’t see us selling him after one season for such a marginal gain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 6 hours ago, kingxlnc said: If you look at last season, it was only Pope and Botman that had been bought by this point (Targett was on loan so already here). So it wasn't spectacular in terms of spending UNTIL we got Isak. If we had gotten Joao Pedro, it would have been solid instead of spectacular as a window. But it took us to 4th. The point is, Tonali is the Botman, and Barnes is the Pope - both very very good signings. So I do think an Isak equivalent is on the cards still to come in - perhaps at RW. It's becoming clearer that Tierney is on his way out - so honestly, a loan to buy there should be an absolute no-brainer (and could be the Targett equivalent - relative to where we are now). Last season it was abundantly clear we were under ffp limit, not so much now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 Hall seems a bit of a non-starter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 Loan with obligation would do Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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