jack j Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 1 hour ago, arnonel said: Tino at left back is the new schar in midfield Botman in midfield thesedays Keep up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 I don't think a DM is going to help much while we press so aggressively. Sometimes Bruno is the highest pressing player in our entire midfield despite being the deepest mid. He keeps up pretty impressive defensive numbers despite this but it's fair to say he's not a defensive player? I think Howe will focus more on how to manage space between defence/mid better instead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 1 hour ago, buzza said: Remember, Philips knocked us back at the start of the window, it deffo looked like we were looking for a dynamic holding midfielder so that we could Bruno further upfield... Did he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaqen Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Think the theres only a couple issues with our current midfield setup. None of them have the true defensive instincts of a high level DM. Joelinton still isn't great technically, control and passing under pressure at times can be off. Will be interesting to see how it gets on in Europe as we are more than likely to get a tough group. As it stands we definitely gain way more from the organised chaos of the 3 box to box system than we would with a more typically structured approach. There's only really been a few games where the weaknesses have been exposed, the vast majority of sides really struggle against it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackflap Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 I think once we managed to get Bruno that more or less ruled us out signing an elite out and out DM. I'm firmly in the camp that I don't like him playing further forward. He hasn't that natural burst of athleticism or snap shot ability that you'd want from someone making regular runs into the box. That's why we surround him with ball winners like Joelinton and Tonali/Longstaff, it's a trade off. But it's hard to make a case that the defensive side of our game is suffering when we were among the meanest defences last season. A low assist count from midfield is probably the main outcome of how we're set up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 3 hours ago, Cronky said: I think that's a good point, Winston, though as Georgie Boyo, says, you can scarcely have a DM who only gets played against the good sides. I wouldn't agree with him though about the viability of using any of our defenders in that role. The problem with a specialist DM is that they tend to get a lot of possession, and if they're not able to use it well, then you lose a lot of attacking opportunities. The compromise we have at the moment is Bruno, who's good on the ball but not great defensively. So really you want a midfielder who's good at both attacking and defensive roles. They're thin on the ground, cost a lot of money potentially and get snapped up by the wealthier clubs (eg Caicedo, Lavia, Rodri, MacAllister) Hopefully, in time, we're able to sort that. We could try Tonali in that role, and I think that's what most of us were expecting when he signed, with Bruno being pushed further forward. What I think Eddie is doing at the moment is dividing those roles between them. This takes some co-ordination, and we'll have to see how it develops. Meantime, it doesn't solve the problem that you raised intially, about the problem of having to nullify a Foden (or maybe a Maddison ) I think that's it really. You only have to look at Chelsea and Liverpool fighting it out over Caicedo and Lavia, and in the end Chelsea ended up buying them both just to stop Liverpool getting one. For us it's a case of just buying the best players we can. If we can't compete for the top CDM's then we'll just buy the best midfielders who can do a bit of both, like Tonali and Bruno. Neither are natural CDMs in my book, but they offer much more going forwards so there's a trade off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 It's nice too, to have our transfers sorted, so that we can sit back and watch other clubs go crazy over the next few days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 16 minutes ago, jackflap said: I think once we managed to get Bruno that more or less ruled us out signing an elite out and out DM. I'm firmly in the camp that I don't like him playing further forward. He hasn't that natural burst of athleticism or snap shot ability that you'd want from someone making regular runs into the box. That's why we surround him with ball winners like Joelinton and Tonali/Longstaff, it's a trade off. But it's hard to make a case that the defensive side of our game is suffering when we were among the meanest defences last season. A low assist count from midfield is probably the main outcome of how we're set up. And don't forget we still have Anderson and Willock etc to provide additional drive and threat from midfield when needed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 6 hours ago, WinstonFC said: We need a CDM when playing against the citys, arsenal and liverpools of this world. Possession based teams who are high class at exploiting the space between the lines in the final third. Foden ran riot last weekend. A CDM option would help us nulify that whilst also giving us more protection when protecting leads later in games against other opposition. All formations have weaknesses, but that one was no doubt spotted by Pep and, as you say, duly exploited. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 If Pep can't get a tune out of Phillips then he's no good to us, send him to Man U or Everton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjb Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 (edited) Though I am satisfied and happy with how we have done our deals and what we have brought in, there is a bit part of me that wants breaking news emerging about us making one big signing out of the blue on deadline day. Would be really epic. Can Edited August 23, 2023 by nufcjb Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 6 hours ago, Geordie Boyo said: I think it would be harsh bringing a DM in and just keeping him for those games as he’s clearly set out what he has in mind with what he’s got. I think it’s more about utilising what we do have and using possibly a defender for that role if needed. Then it’s who do you sacrifice and who do you play at the back. Barnes Wilson Murphy Tonali Bruno Botman Hall Burn Schar Trips Pope Its been a while. Schar's gonna be fuming, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, Super Duper Branko Strupar said: Its been a while. Schar's gonna be fuming, though. Could we play them both in a double pivot? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 29 minutes ago, Ben said: If Pep can't get a tune out of Phillips then he's no good to us, send him to Man U or Everton. Only get a tune if you play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Boyo Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 23 minutes ago, Super Duper Branko Strupar said: Its been a while. Schar's gonna be fuming, though. I know schar’s played there before, but I reckon Botman would be sold there - obviously wouldn’t really go for it all personally, but just for arguments sake in utilising what we have as have done have a DM and I can’t really see who we’d sacrifice long-term if we did get one. Just gotta keep faith in Eddie and see what he does in the in and coming games . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Just a reminder of how bad things we’re and how far we’ve come. Fully believe my man DigBick with this one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Whitley mag said: Just a reminder of how bad things we’re and how far we’ve come. Fully believe my man DigBick with this one. He'd have been either loaned to a shit Champo club or sold for 10 million if he'd come here anyway under that lot. Edited August 23, 2023 by toon25 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazzaschicken Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 6 hours ago, MrRaspberryJam said: He's a piss artist if you ask me. Which you didn't. I don't really care either way tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, Gazzaschicken said: I don't really care either way tbh I think you’ll care when I tell you what the complaint is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 48 minutes ago, Whitley mag said: Just a reminder of how bad things we’re and how far we’ve come. Fully believe my man DigBick with this one. £4.5m was a lot of money to go through all that paperwork mind. Charners forte was licking stamps and running to the post office, a bit much to ask him to sort work permits and the like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 26 minutes ago, MrRaspberryJam said: I think you’ll care when I tell you what the complaint is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazzaschicken Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 1 hour ago, MrRaspberryJam said: I think you’ll care when I tell you what the complaint is. I don't think I will Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Gazzaschicken said: I don't think I will Well you’re an ambassador for the N-O forum.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebelrouser Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Paid too much for Anthony Gordon (at least he looks much better this year than last) and then didn't get enought for ASM. Tonali, Barnes, Livramento, and Hall look great though. Still have RW and RCB holes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Paid too much for a 22 yo Gordon?? How can you judge that already Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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