NUFC Transfer Rumours

[Optimistic Nut]

2 hours ago, Shearergol said:

 

Who was bidding more for Longstaff, Almiron or ASM?

 

Could have sold Tino for £60m and signed Walker-Peters on a Free, would look so good on the balance sheet.

[Fak]

2 hours ago, kingxlnc said:

Goes to show how poor sellers we are in comparison. CL scoring and experienced PL midfielder in his peak years going for only 12-15m in Longstaff. Compare that to the nobody’s the Cartel sell for that amount every year. 
 

Isak was sold undervalue, ditto Almiron, and even ASM. Kelly is the only good deal we did and tbh a Chelsea would have probably sold him for 30m as he is comparable with Tosin who they value around that amount. 

 

Codswallop. 

[timeEd32]

2 hours ago, kingxlnc said:

Goes to show how poor sellers we are in comparison. CL scoring and experienced PL midfielder in his peak years going for only 12-15m in Longstaff. Compare that to the nobody’s the Cartel sell for that amount every year. 
 

Isak was sold undervalue, ditto Almiron, and even ASM. Kelly is the only good deal we did and tbh a Chelsea would have probably sold him for 30m as he is comparable with Tosin who they value around that amount. 

Longstaff being in his “peak” years makes him less valuable. The vast majority of clubs are primarily spending money on young players because everyone is concerned with resale value, plus older players often means higher wages.

 

Every player you mentioned was on the wrong side of the age curve except Kelly, and his wages made him less attractive.

 

Isak is a special case because the market is different above £100m and the circumstances caused us to lose control of the situation (you can call us bad sellers for that). 

We could look great on a spreadsheet if we made Tino, Hall, or Miley available. 

 

If there’s something to be critical about it’s more that we haven’t sold some players earlier when they had more value (Wilson, Miggy, etc.). But it’s hard to be good sellers when you have older players, little depth (because the rules make that hard), and you’re trying to compete.

[TRon]

2 hours ago, kingxlnc said:

Exactly.

 

He went that peak summer where Saudi were flexing and he was our most creative and box office player, plus young mid 20s. 40m wouldn’t even be considered dodgy let alone higher, judging what some others went for. 
 

I know Longstaff and Almiron had no buyers but that’s part of a sporting director role isn’t it to create demand. Which is why Mitchell did well with Kelly. How does some random at the cartel club have demand whilst both Almiron and Longstaff who have actually excelled at different times at Newcastle in the Premier League have no buyers?

 

Even Isak should have been in much higher demand. 

 

 

Didn't we have an experienced sporting director when we sold Maxi? Do you not think there might be a footballing reason why there was little demand for any of these players rather than expecting a sporting director to create demand? 

 

 

[gbandit]

The financial value of players has flipped massively in the space of three years. If you’re 28 years old + and you’re not going to KSA then you’ll generally struggle to command a huge fee unless you’re a top player or a team desperately needs you (see Wissa). The only criteria you need to command a huge fee from KSA is to be a player at a cartel side.

 

Any players that don’t manage to nail down many minutes at a cartel club but who have managed to play in the premier league and are under 22 will normally command stupid fees. If you’re a player in the same age bracket at a different PL club you’ll only command that fee if you’re in high demand and you’ll go to a cartel club or one of the big boys on the continent. 
 

The shift in paying huge sums for unproven talent is the biggest change in the last two decades

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, gbandit said:

The financial value of players has flipped massively in the space of three years. If you’re 28 years old + and you’re not going to KSA then you’ll generally struggle to command a huge fee unless you’re a top player or a team desperately needs you (see Wissa). The only criteria you need to command a huge fee from KSA is to be a player at a cartel side.

 

Any players that don’t manage to nail down many minutes at a cartel club but who have managed to play in the premier league and are under 22 will normally command stupid fees. If you’re a player in the same age bracket at a different PL club you’ll only command that fee if you’re in high demand and you’ll go to a cartel club or one of the big boys on the continent. 
 

The shift in paying huge sums for unproven talent is the biggest change in the last two decades

Absolutely, and the proof is In the pudding. Despite Hoijlund being absolutely awful man united will make a psr profit on him when his obligation is fulfilled. 

 

It's also why stockpiling players like Chelsea do is such a strong tool strategically speaking. They can buy players using the balance sheet of Strasbourg, sell them to Chelsea for cheap and even flip them in the same window if they choose too. 

 

Basically football is fucked, you can't beat this set up in the long term. They may not dominate and win the league but these advantages will make sure they are always around the top despite having an absolutely bang average manager, and having lots of duds. 

[kingxlnc]

ASM was 25 years old I believe. 

But yes everything else makes sense, the market has shifted to young players only. 

It was once the case that the promoted clubs would go towards experienced players to help them survive - but look at Sunderlands, Leeds and Burnleys - apart from the odd experienced signing like Xhaka or Walker or Dubravka, most are young or peak years. Leeds oldest signing is DCL at 28. 

[andycap]

Maxi was still worth atleast 35 million in my opinion he was going into his peak years, his injuries were mounting up but still we got shafted by the Saudi club. 

[Conjo]

2 hours ago, kingxlnc said:

Goes to show how poor sellers we are in comparison. CL scoring and experienced PL midfielder in his peak years going for only 12-15m in Longstaff. Compare that to the nobody’s the Cartel sell for that amount every year. 
 

Isak was sold undervalue, ditto Almiron, and even ASM. Kelly is the only good deal we did and tbh a Chelsea would have probably sold him for 30m as he is comparable with Tosin who they value around that amount. 

 

Tell me you're the type of guy that lists used second hand garbage at retail price without telling me you list used second hand garbage at retail price.

[huss9]

whats with the Travis Hernes transfer?

loan with option to buy.

thought Eddie liked him and he had a decent pre season cameo.

[andycap]

4 minutes ago, huss9 said:

whats with the Travis Hernes transfer?

loan with option to buy.

thought Eddie liked him and he had a decent pre season cameo.

Played him in Asia then he never got on the bench in our home preseason games. Fuck knows what's going on I thought he looked good. 

[Ghandis Flip-Flop]

4 minutes ago, huss9 said:

whats with the Travis Hernes transfer?

loan with option to buy.

thought Eddie liked him and he had a decent pre season cameo.

Think we'll see this kind of thing happen more and more, better than them being released to the Northern League. Would make sense to peruse the multi-club model and send them there (despite me hating that in reality), but there are plenty that aren’t really going to develop plying U18/U21 academy football

[Ghandis Flip-Flop]

1 minute ago, andycap said:

Played him in Asia then he never got on the bench in our home preseason games. Fuck knows what's going on I thought he looked good. 

Id imagine the player themselves wanting to go, I’d imagine he looks at our midfield currently and can’t see a path in to the Team

[huss9]

Just now, Ghandis Flip-Flop said:

Think we'll see this kind of thing happen more and more, better than them being released to the Northern League. Would make sense to peruse the multi-club model and send them there (despite me hating that in reality), but there are plenty that aren’t really going to develop plying U18/U21 academy football

just wondering why the option to buy?

if he has a decent season, we bring him back.

has the option to buy price been set?

could it be that if he's decent, then we stick a £30m price on his head so that he has to come back.

[Ghandis Flip-Flop]

12 minutes ago, huss9 said:

just wondering why the option to buy?

if he has a decent season, we bring him back.

has the option to buy price been set?

could it be that if he's decent, then we stick a £30m price on his head so that he has to come back.

Seems common practice these days, I’m presuming someone at the club has suggested he's unlikely to become a PL midfielder, but might succeed on the continent. We put an agreed buy back price in there in case we were wrong.

[Menace]

I loved Maxi but he was pretty shite like, just a bright spark in a very grim cycle 

[gbandit]

1 hour ago, r0cafella said:

Absolutely, and the proof is In the pudding. Despite Hoijlund being absolutely awful man united will make a psr profit on him when his obligation is fulfilled. 

 

It's also why stockpiling players like Chelsea do is such a strong tool strategically speaking. They can buy players using the balance sheet of Strasbourg, sell them to Chelsea for cheap and even flip them in the same window if they choose too. 

 

Basically football is fucked, you can't beat this set up in the long term. They may not dominate and win the league but these advantages will make sure they are always around the top despite having an absolutely bang average manager, and having lots of duds. 

Aye, it’s essentially foolproof for Chelsea. They sell the flops to Strasbourg for inflated prices. They buy the successes from Strasbourg for deflated prices. 
 

Take out the buying and selling from your own portfolio of teams and it’s still a broken model where huge premiums are applied for players who have got minutes for the top clubs. That’s not corruption as such, it’s just a culture that’s developed that’s become normalised for KSA to spend absurd money on any name attached to these clubs and for other teams in the EFL pyramid to overpay as well.

 

Every year a new weapon gets added to the cartel’s arsenal (pun intended) that makes them even more bulletproof. I feel sorry for other teams, at least we have some means to try to fight it, e.g. a moneypit so we’re not left with the same existential issues some clubs face if they take risks. However we’re just as powerless as them to combat the cartel unless we try to adopt similar practices, e.g. stockpiling, multi-club models, inter-group trading etc. 

 

None of which I want any part of 

[TRon]

2 hours ago, andycap said:

Maxi was still worth atleast 35 million in my opinion he was going into his peak years, his injuries were mounting up but still we got shafted by the Saudi club. 

 

If we had got an offer for even £26m then it would have had to be at least matched by a Saudi club. We didn't so in the end they did us a favour by at least buying him which allowed us to spend on other players. Blame the rest of the football world for not putting in any offers for such an undervalued player. 

[MagPar]

14 hours ago, The Prophet said:

 

Sounds like we tried. At least we know there's a market for him now.

We could always try and scout another young cheap striker with potential and then let Osula go for a tidy profit in January or next summer. I think he'll definitely be away next summer if he doesn't have some kind of breakthrough, which won't be easy considering the other 2 we brought in. 

 

[MagPar]

1 hour ago, gbandit said:

Aye, it’s essentially foolproof for Chelsea. They sell the flops to Strasbourg for inflated prices. They buy the successes from Strasbourg for deflated prices. 
 

Take out the buying and selling from your own portfolio of teams and it’s still a broken model where huge premiums are applied for players who have got minutes for the top clubs. That’s not corruption as such, it’s just a culture that’s developed that’s become normalised for KSA to spend absurd money on any name attached to these clubs and for other teams in the EFL pyramid to overpay as well.

 

Every year a new weapon gets added to the cartel’s arsenal (pun intended) that makes them even more bulletproof. I feel sorry for other teams, at least we have some means to try to fight it, e.g. a moneypit so we’re not left with the same existential issues some clubs face if they take risks. However we’re just as powerless as them to combat the cartel unless we try to adopt similar practices, e.g. stockpiling, multi-club models, inter-group trading etc. 

 

None of which I want any part of 

If it means we can spend more,my football morals go out the window. 

[gbandit]

1 minute ago, MagPar said:

If it means we can spend more,my football morals go out the window. 

I don’t want to contribute to the game becoming even more fucked and unequal. I get it, we don’t want to be left behind but I’d prefer that we just go our own way 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

3 hours ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

Could have sold Tino for £60m and signed Walker-Peters on a Free, would look so good on the balance sheet.

 

Don't man

[relámpago blanco]

5 hours ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

Could have sold Tino for £60m and signed Walker-Peters on a Free, would look so good on the balance sheet.

We should have signed Vardy and DCL instead of Woltemade and Wissa.

[cubaricho]

12 hours ago, Taylor Swift said:

 

I honestly don’t want to see £40-50m signings. It’s time to go for £80m or £90m on a winger or attacking midfielder that’s decisive in key matches.

That’s what we tried this summer which ended up frustrating so many on here.

[andycap]

3 hours ago, Menace said:

I loved Maxi but he was pretty shite like, just a bright spark in a very grim cycle 

He was great until all the niggly injuries. Then it looked like he bulked up a bit and lost a yard of pace.