madras Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Aye and that’s really not good enough. All of our rivals and even Brighton would’ve been able to keep shape with a couple CM injuries. We wouldn’t. I expect us to cover the holes in the squad this summer. But it’s not true that the club management haven’t left us light in the past. If they don’t think the players or value are available they won’t sign players to fill out the squad. True enough but that change will take time. I'm happy with the Tonali/Isak/Bruno/Botman-Young'uns to bring through model. We can skim over the gaps in the short term and I think Tonali was a big part of covering that gap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza ladra Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 Don’t know make of the repeated links to left forwards when it appears to me that we have less depth on the right. Has the club already penciled Gordon on the right with Miggy and Murphy? Or the pursuit of Livramento when left back seems a more pressing. I’d really like to see us do something about the backline; losing Schar or Botman for an extended period would be disastrous. I suppose they expect Burn to play centrally and start Targett. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingArthur Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 2 hours ago, gazza ladra said: Don’t know make of the repeated links to left forwards when it appears to me that we have less depth on the right. Has the club already penciled Gordon on the right with Miggy and Murphy? Or the pursuit of Livramento when left back seems a more pressing. I’d really like to see us do something about the backline; losing Schar or Botman for an extended period would be disastrous. I suppose they expect Burn to play centrally and start Targett. I am not sure how people keep saying left back is a priority. We have absolutely no depth on the right behind Trippier, who cannot play 50 games a season. We were ok with Targett and Burn last season. Yes, we need to upgrade that, but getting an option for Trippier is a must. Livramento will be starting right back for us very soon, is English and not very expensive. Although a bit risky. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 10 hours ago, Hanshithispantz said: Hang on a minute, a poster organised it for Titus Bramble to dust his missus and this is the first I've heard of it? Yeah pretty much Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 16 minutes ago, KingArthur said: I am not sure how people keep saying left back is a priority. We have absolutely no depth on the right behind Trippier, who cannot play 50 games a season. We were ok with Targett and Burn last season. Yes, we need to upgrade that, but getting an option for Trippier is a must. Livramento will be starting right back for us very soon, is English and not very expensive. Although a bit risky. We have Ashby, Manq and Krafh in reserve and Trippier is Miles better than his equivalent on the left back. Id rather we buy a left back who can improve our starting 11 over another back up right back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingArthur Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, r0cafella said: We have Ashby, Manq and Krafh in reserve and Trippier is Miles better than his equivalent on the left back. Id rather we buy a left back who can improve our starting 11 over another back up right back. Manquillo is reportedly off to Getafe. Krafth is not good enough and Ashby has not played games at top level at all? Most likely will be loaned. I wouldn't want to start UCL-game or against top 6 with Krafth right back, but I am content with starting Burn or Targett left back. (and yes, would be nice to have a quality starting LB also) And we need to sell left backs also.. Edited July 17, 2023 by KingArthur Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, KingArthur said: Manquillo is reportedly off to Getafe. Krafth is not good enough and Ashby has not played games at top level at all? Most likely will be loaned. I wouldn't want to start UCL-game or against top 6 with Krafth right back, but I am content with starting Burn or Targett left back. (and yes, would be nice to have a quality starting LB also) And we need to sell left backs also.. If the options are: Trippier plays 40 games and Manquillo/Krafth play 15 games & new left-back plays 40 games and Targett 15 (Burn returning to the CB pool) Or Trippier plays 40 games and Livramento plays 15 games & Burn plays 40 games at left-back and Targett 15, what would you prefer? Ideally we get both, but left-back is more important for me if it's one or the other. Edited July 17, 2023 by Optimistic Nut Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghandis Flip-Flop Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 3 hours ago, gazza ladra said: Don’t know make of the repeated links to left forwards when it appears to me that we have less depth on the right. Has the club already penciled Gordon on the right with Miggy and Murphy? Or the pursuit of Livramento when left back seems a more pressing. I’d really like to see us do something about the backline; losing Schar or Botman for an extended period would be disastrous. I suppose they expect Burn to play centrally and start Targett. Is left back really more pressing though, given how we play? Take Trippier out of our side and our main creative threat is gone. The guy is soon gonna be 33, he ain’t playing every game in a season like we have coming up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, Ghandis Flip-Flop said: Is left back really more pressing though, given how we play? Take Trippier out of our side and our main creative threat is gone. The guy is soon gonna be 33, he ain’t playing every game in a season like we have coming up. I agree that I think we could go another season with Targett/Burn as left backs and would rather get a better RB back up in, but we've got Tonali to take det pieces this season, which is where a lot of Trippiers created chances came from. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Ghandis Flip-Flop said: Is left back really more pressing though, given how we play? Take Trippier out of our side and our main creative threat is gone. The guy is soon gonna be 33, he ain’t playing every game in a season like we have coming up. Get a left-back who can do the same other side and just do what teams have always done, if one goes forward, the other sits? Then he's not the one having to be the one bombing on all game. Edited July 17, 2023 by Optimistic Nut Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Boyo Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 (edited) For pace both target, burn and even trippier can get caught out. I think this is more so needed at left-back along with those other qualities target and burn and obviously trippier show. Trippier being the most reliable out of our full-backs. Next in line is Krafth and all though his game has improved a great deal before he was injured he has been caught out on occasions. With our goals this season having higher expectations or particularly an expectation to demonstrate as much drive we had last season, we’re going to need those improvements with champions league football on top of things and in my opinion the priority is defiantly left-back and secondary a replacement in future for trippier. As far as Howe goes he’ll aware of that, but as a manager, particularly at the moment will want to keep everyone he can and work on their fitness and overall game with the increase of games to be played this season. Edited July 17, 2023 by Geordie Boyo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingArthur Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 27 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: If the options are: Trippier plays 40 games and Manquillo/Krafth play 15 games & new left-back plays 40 games and Targett 15 (Burn returning to the CB pool) Or Trippier plays 40 games and Livramento plays 15 games & Burn plays 40 games at left-back and Targett 15, what would you prefer? Ideally we get both, but left-back is more important for me if it's one or the other. I would take this. We have no idea what is Krafths level after injury. Funnily that might be true for Livramento also. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 I'd be surprised if Burn plays to the level he did last season again. I'd prefer a younger left-back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 Don’t think Krafth is good enough to rely on for any period of games next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Boyo Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 (edited) Difficult to make assumptions on Krafth. He might come back stronger than he has been or to where he was before being injured. Obviously Howe wants him to take his time after such an injury. He’s unlikely to take part any time soon, so he’s more less out of the picture for now then you’re looking what we have there, which just leaves you with manquillo and Trippier with Ashby probably likely going out on loan, particularly if we do sign somebody there. Edited July 17, 2023 by Geordie Boyo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 8 minutes ago, Geordie Boyo said: Difficult to make assumptions on Krafth. He might come back stronger than he has been or to where he was before being injured. Obviously Howe wants him to take his time after such an injury. He’s unlikely to take part any time soon, so he’s more less out of the picture for now then you’re looking what we have there, which just leaves you with manquillo and Trippier with Ashby probably likely going out on loan, particularly if we do sign somebody there. I think the injury has been worse than most expected. I’d loan him out in January if there’s any possibility of that, if we get through the League Cup and CL group games relatively unscathed and see where the squad is at. If we’re out of 3 competitions relatively early then we could put him in the shop window for next summer. If we’re still going strong in a few, E.g. Europa League and FA Cup, I’d owe him for depth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 16 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Don’t think Krafth is good enough to rely on for any period of games next season. For whatever reason is recovery has been slower than hoped from the snippets you hear. That couple with any concerns they have about his ability leads to the Livramento link. I think we need a new starting left back and cover at right back but I’m not convinced we get both. We also need cover at right CB as no chance Schar and Botman play every game next season and I’d be worried with Lascelles coming in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Puppets Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 21 minutes ago, ExiledGeordie said: For whatever reason is recovery has been slower than hoped from the snippets you hear. That couple with any concerns they have about his ability leads to the Livramento link. I think we need a new starting left back and cover at right back but I’m not convinced we get both. We also need cover at right CB as no chance Schar and Botman play every game next season and I’d be worried with Lascelles coming in. That obviously isn’t going to happen though. Getting a new left back frees up Burn to be a backup CB. Which is fine. In terms of right back, we should probably be looking for a player who can cover RCB and RB… what’s Aaron Hughes doing these days? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingArthur Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 23 minutes ago, Shadow Puppets said: That obviously isn’t going to happen though. Getting a new left back frees up Burn to be a backup CB. Which is fine. In terms of right back, we should probably be looking for a player who can cover RCB and RB… what’s Aaron Hughes doing these days? Burn is ok as a LCB backup, but we need a right footed cb behind Schär. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 I would be amazed if we sign 3 defenders this window. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Matt1892 said: I would be amazed if we sign 3 defenders this window. I don’t think we get 3 more players, never mind defenders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobsonsWonderland Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 8 minutes ago, Slim said: I'm convinced this is because we know who we want and trying to get deals across the line for what other clubs see as unobtainable or settled players. It would be easy to buy 'any available' player to simply fill a squad place but then you end up needing to replace them and buy twice. Let's see where we are in a few weeks time and ignore the likes of Luke Edwards screaming the sky is falling! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 7 minutes ago, RobsonsWonderland said: I'm convinced this is because we know who we want and trying to get deals across the line for what other clubs see as unobtainable or settled players. It would be easy to buy 'any available' player to simply fill a squad place but then you end up needing to replace them and buy twice. Let's see where we are in a few weeks time and ignore the likes of Luke Edwards screaming the sky is falling! Nah, it's because we're done now. There is no news. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 20 minutes ago, Shearergol said: Nah, it's because we're done now. There is no news. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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