NUFC Transfer Rumours

[joeyt]

14 minutes ago, Dokko said:

 

I don't really want to be drawn into an FM style argument for, but there are players out there. Young, older, contract issues, not needed and so on, and we don't seem to have the pulse on it to an extent others do. If there were no players, then football would cease to exist in a few years. So they are there. 

 

Instead of £55m on elanga. A rb, lb and rw, all punts for £55m combined, and we would have been better off. 

We can afford to take punts. What we can't afford is paying premium prices for Ramsey & Elanga and them not deliver. They've crippled us this season, more so than any punts, and usually the punts can be moved on for what you've paid. No one is paying us anywhere near what we paid for them 2. 

 

I think without any names then you're going to struggle to convince me we could have got a left back,  right back and a right winger for £55mil

 

Was Thiaw a punt from abroad? He's done really well and people were angry we signed him

[Deuce]

Feels like the immediate solution is to recall Targett, though that seems unlikely.

[KennyUtd]

3 minutes ago, Deuce said:

Feels like the immediate solution is to recall Targett, though that seems unlikely.

Isn't he injured?

[Deuce]

2 minutes ago, KennyUtd said:

Isn't he injured?

Doesn’t appear to be

[KennyUtd]

Just now, Deuce said:

Doesn’t appear to be

BHH.

[Chris L]

4 minutes ago, KennyUtd said:

Isn't he injured?

He played 86 minutes yesterday 

[Playmaker]

He played yesterday, so I think that makes him cup tide for the rest of fa cup if he came back. 

[Infinitely Content]

30 minutes ago, joeyt said:

 

I think without any names then you're going to struggle to convince me we could have got a left back,  right back and a right winger for £55mil

 

Was Thiaw a punt from abroad? He's done really well and people were angry we signed him

Don't necessarily agree with the initial point, but it's pretty easy to find 3 names signed by PL teams currently performing well for £55m combined or less.

Kroupi Jr, Mukiele, Truffert, c. £35m combined.

[Optimistic Nut]

1 hour ago, LFEE said:

Of course he can. He’s done brilliantly there the majority of the time considering it’s probably not his favoured position. Tell me a FB who occasionally doesn’t get skinned a few times a season in any team 

 

Will die on the hill that Botman's injury just after Burn was starting to get regularly rinsed at LB saved his bacon as a first-choice player. He slotted back into LCB and rocked it. Got to the point where it looked like he needed put down before that. 

[Bimpy474]

42 minutes ago, joeyt said:

 

I think without any names then you're going to struggle to convince me we could have got a left back,  right back and a right winger for £55mil

 

Was Thiaw a punt from abroad? He's done really well and people were angry we signed him

 

Aye, and the problem with the argument is people will cite examples, like Munoz from Palace (RB), Truffert from Bournemouth (LB) and or say Savinho from Man City (RW) as value buys. And you could name numerous players Brighton sign, or even Wolves etc. And gems other clubs have signed, the LB at Sunderland looks a very good player to be fair.

 

OK, there's some merit in that, but looking at players like that in hindsight is so easy. We don't have that kind of scouting/buying model yet, sounds like that's the way we're heading to, but we aren't there yet and not a stick to beat the club with. And as you said, name someone right now who we could sign. The real world isn't FM, we clearly have to be better, and i think we will be in the coming seasons.

 

 

Edited January 11 by Bimpy474

[joeyt]

16 minutes ago, Infinitely Content said:

Don't necessarily agree with the initial point, but it's pretty easy to find 3 names signed by PL teams currently performing well for £55m combined or less.

Kroupi Jr, Mukiele, Truffert, c. £35m combined.

 

And also presumably 3 players for less than 55 mil from abroad who have been rubbish? Kroupi wasn't a summer transfer fwiw and also not a right winger 

 

I think it's very easy to say we should take more punts from abroad but not provide any names when a lot of foreign imports last summer have been rubbish. 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 11 by joeyt

[joeyt]

And the reaction on here when we signed Thiaw was embarrassing

[Dokko]

6 minutes ago, Bimpy474 said:

 

Aye, and the problem with the argument is people will cite examples, like Munoz from Palace (RB), Truffert from Bournemouth (LB) and or say Savinho from Man City (RW) as value buys. And you could name numerous players Brighton sign, or even Wolves etc. And gems other clubs have signed, the LB at Sunderland looks a very good player to be fair.

 

OK, there's some merit in that, but looking at players like that in hindsight is so easy. We don't have that kind of scouting/buying model yet, sounds like that's the way we're heading to, but we aren't there yet and not a stick to beat the club with. And as you said, name someone right now who we could sign. The real world isn't FM, we clearly have to be better, and i think we will be in the coming seasons.

 

 

 

 

Problem is, any listing is FM labelled, any example for is hindsight, and any example against is I told you so. You can't win this arugment, hence why im not getting involved with naming names. Fact is, if they didnt exist, football wouldn't either. 

[joeyt]

1 minute ago, Dokko said:

 

Problem is, any listing is FM labelled, any example for is hindsight, and any example against is I told you so. You can't win this arugment, hence why im not getting involved with naming names. Fact is, if they didnt exist, football wouldn't either. 

 

You aren't naming names as if you do and they turn out to be rubbish you can't come back and do your Captain Hindsight thing and criticise the club in the future 

[Bimpy474]

3 minutes ago, Dokko said:

 

Problem is, any listing is FM labelled, any example for is hindsight, and any example against is I told you so. You can't win this arugment, hence why im not getting involved with naming names. Fact is, if they didnt exist, football wouldn't either. 

 

That is a very very good point. It would be an endless argument neither side could win.

[Dokko]

1 minute ago, joeyt said:

 

You aren't naming names as if you do and they turn out to be rubbish you can't come back and do your Captain Hindsight thing and criticise the club in the future 

 

And that's all you are doing now. It's pointless, I know what you are trying to do. It's pathetic. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

3 minutes ago, Bimpy474 said:

 

That is a very very good point. It would be an endless argument neither side could win.

I prefer “we should get better and cheaper signings than the ones we actually did”. Can’t lose.  

[joeyt]

3 minutes ago, Dokko said:

 

And that's all you are doing now. It's pointless, I know what you are trying to do. It's pathetic. 

 

I'm not sure what I'm doing? 

 

You've made statements how we need to take punts abroad and could fill 3 positions for less than £55mil but don't give any examples.

 

People go on as if our club is run by amateurs but we're doing alright if they are run by amateurs 

[Dokko]

4 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I prefer “we should get better and cheaper signings than the ones we actually did”. Can’t lose.  

 

Stop putting our eggs in one expensive basket would be a start. We need to mix it up, build a squad as well as an XI. We're just too scared of getting it wrong, we go proven, and actually, that's hurting us as when a proven doesn't work out, we've got nowhere to go. When a couple of them don't pull their weight, it fucks the season. 

 

I know its inflicted upon us by Masters & the cartel, but we need to mix it up. That's all I'm really saying here.

 

 

Edited January 11 by Dokko

[Bimpy474]

2 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I prefer “we should get better and cheaper signings than the ones we actually did”. Can’t lose.  

 

Aye, it's a daft argument and unfair, although there is a little bit of why haven't we signed more bargains query in there. We should be better at it, i think that's clear, time will tell if we will be. We need the stability of Ross Wilson staying, not the Ashworth and the gobshite that followed him scenarios.

[Dokko]

1 minute ago, joeyt said:

 

I'm not sure what I'm doing? 

 

You've made statements how we need to take punts abroad and could fill 3 positions for less than £55mil but don't give any examples.

 

People go on as if our club is run by amateurs but we're doing alright if they are run by amateurs 

 

We do. We looked at Kerkez and Huijsen for relative peanuts before Bournemouth took a punt on them. We can clearly ID the talent, but we decide safety first. I know you can't state like for like, as timings, players in/out all make a difference, but we have eyes on them, but we decide against. Could be prioritise other positions at that time, but again, that's because we pay full whack for that position, and can't manouvre. 

 

High turnover of backroom staff, especially in key management positions screams amatuer. 

 

Any business losing that much talent in senior positions would be labelled as such.

[Kid Icarus]

I don't think it's a stretch to say we could spend X amount on players that turn out to be successful from abroad, we've literally done it ourselves. I just don't think it's a criticism to throw at the club, because we've done it and we're still doing it. I don't think it's reasonable to expect the club to only target those players at the expense of the PL signings we've made.

 

 

Edited January 11 by Kid Icarus

[Skeletor]

How many of the PL players we have signed have an extremely high ceiling like Bruno, Thiaw, Tonali, Isak (I feel sick including him) do/did? We've signed a much higher proportion of them compared to players from abroad and I could say Hall and Livramento are about it. Harvey Barnes is probably a level below that in terms of ceiling. Its not unreasonable to want more signings from abroad for cheaper that will likely hit bigger heights.

[Theregulars]

1 hour ago, Dokko said:

 

Stop putting our eggs in one expensive basket would be a start. We need to mix it up, build a squad as well as an XI. We're just too scared of getting it wrong, we go proven, and actually, that's hurting us as when a proven doesn't work out, we've got nowhere to go. When a couple of them don't pull their weight, it fucks the season. 

 

I know its inflicted upon us by Masters & the cartel, but we need to mix it up. That's all I'm really saying here.

 

 

 

But what this analysis misses is that, if you take a small peek at reality, we HAVE “mixed it up”. The following players have been purchased since the takeover with no experience whatsoever of English football: Bruno, Botman, Isak, Tonali, Thiaw, Woltemade. 3 of those were for circa £35m, which isn’t comparatively a massive outlay. Thats arguably 1/3 of the squad over Eddie’s time.
 

Yes, it would be nice to spend say £10-15m on someone nobody other than serious obsessive have heard about who then turns into a regular starter or top-level contributor, that would certainly help from a PSR and competition perspective. Surely that’s the idea of hiring and developing a data-driven scouting team which for whatever reason we’ve not got right yet. 
 

so I think you can certainly make the point that those signings aren’t yet there, but this relentless refrain about “PL proven or nothing” / putting all our eggs in one basket is incorrect (that’s before we get on to what seems like the fairly obvious comment that buying PL-proven for a PL club does have, at least, some merit as an approach). 
 

I would also add that we did take that approach to some extent in Howe’s first window, when targett, wood, trippier and Burn were all acquired for those kinds of prices (targett a loan obviously). The club also did identify and purchase Minteh for a pittance and as we can see now he would have been at least a decent PL RW option, which would have been whatever we spent on him (£6m? Can’t remember) instead of £55m on elanga. So again the club is trying to do what you suggest it isn’t, but then gets PSRaped.

 

 

Edited January 11 by Theregulars

[Sibierski]

3 hours ago, joeyt said:

 

People go on as if our club is run by amateurs but we're doing alright if they are run by amateurs 

 

Think there's a valid argument we are since Staveley left. Take our strongest XI that most would say it is currently on paper:

Pope: Tino, Thaiw, Burn, Hall: Joelinton, Bruno G, Tonali: Gordon/Barnes, Wolte, Barnes/Murphy.

 

Aside the striker which was a forced change because of the Isak debacle, since Stavely gone, we've made one improvement to the first XI. since start of 23/24 season (as Tino/Hall progressed into side). And that's been Thaiw, someone we've seemingly had on our radar since 2022/23 and went back to him after failing on other targets.

 

 

Edited January 11 by Sibierski