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[Dokko]

2 minutes ago, Toon No9 said:

And we have to start playing our younger players in some games.

 

Players such as A Murphy, Shahar, Alabi and Neave should get some minutes to gain experience. Not all at the same time but you have to trust them at some point so you can let others get some rest at times.

 

Howe doesn't rate them enough though, so would rather player experienced players out of position or bring back players who aren't 100% fit over them. Realistically all those should be out on loan, and we have a squad ready to rotate in, then those youngsters put pressure on the squad places. We're clearly missing a tier of players, and it's not going to bridge itself with young players playing reserve football only.

[Elliottman]

45 minutes ago, Dokko said:

Really disappointing we find ourself nearly halfway through the window still in the midst of an injury crisis and we've not even been properly linked to getting a player through the door. 

 

Guess the club is happy to tread water this season and risk losing its best players in the summer. Some ambition. 

 

 

Weve only been in an injury crisis for 3 days. A week ago we had close to a full squad for the first time in forever. 

[Dokko]

1 minute ago, Elliottman said:

Weve only been in an injury crisis for 3 days. A week ago we had close to a full squad for the first time in forever. 

 

Eh? Burn has been out for weeks. Botman is still recovering. Hall & Tino have been in and out for weeks. Lacelles & Kraft permenantly injured. Pope out for weeks and just coming back. Ramsey injured and trying to come back all season. Wissa just returned. Schar is the only new injury in the last few days. Tino is still recovering from his other injury, and picked up another. That's how it works when players are overused on return.

 

Just because a player can get minutes on the grass doesn't mean they are fully fit and there is no injury crisis. They are stil part of it until they are up to speed. 

[Smal]

8 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

That's not quite what happened though is it? We also have Burn who can cover LB, Krafth and Trips for RB. We were so comfortable we could loan out Targett. We have Lascelles/Schar/Thiaw/Botman on top of that for 2 CB positions.

 

I'm not saying I like those FB options or don't want more, but we were pretty well covered before a ridiculous number of injuries. 

 

 

 

 

I don’t quite agree.

 

Much as I think criticism of him playing there a couple of seasons ago was absurd, I don’t think the 33 year old version of Dan Burn is a viable LB option in the PL and CL. But even if we said he was… he’s the first choice CB (at least for Howe). Likewise Livramento is the first choice RB. They can’t be the backup for left back because when the LB gets injured (and let’s not forget Hall was coming back from a long injury, there was always a good chance of him picking up knocks) it means one of them has to play every single minute. When that happens they will inevitably get injured too, and then the other will get injured when they have to fill in every minute; which is exactly what’s happened.

 

You have to have 2 players for each position if you want to play in all of these competitions. We have:

 

GK: Pope (Ramsdale)

 

RB: Livramento (Trippier, Krafth)

CB: Thiaw (Schar, Lascelles)

CB: Burn (Botman)

LB: Hall

 

DM: Tonali (Miley)

CM: Bruno (Willock)

CM: Joelinton (Ramsey)

 

RW: Murphy (Elanga)

CF: Woltemade (Wissa)

LW: Gordon (Barnes)

 

We’re fine everywhere else, but it’s no surprise we have defensive issues because there’s an obvious hole in the squad there.

[Elliottman]

1 minute ago, Dokko said:

 

Eh? Burn has been out for weeks. Botman is still recovering. Hall & Tino have been in and out for weeks. Lacelles & Kraft permenantly injured. Pope out for weeks and just coming back. Ramsey injured and trying to come back all season. Wissa just returned. Schar is the only new injury in the last few days. Tino is still recovering from his other injury, and picked up another. That's how it works when players are overused on return.

 

Just because a player can get minutes on the grass doesn't mean they are fully fit and there is no injury crisis. They are stil part of it until they are up to speed. 

Botman, Tino and Hall were all fit and playing games. Burn was the only one missing. I don’t really know why you’re including Lacelles as he’s not been part of the squad for 2 years and you can say the same about Krath. 
 

Burn was the only one out injured and is 3 weeks away. If  The injuries to Schar and Tino don’t happen, we’re looking in good shape. 

[Kid Icarus]

Burn is our 3rd choice LB cover, that's a fine situation. I really don't think you can blame the club for not having the defensive cover it needed this season, we've just been simultaneously unlucky that our defence has been the only area that's been heavily hit by injuries and lucky that it wasn't concentrated in midfield or attack where it would have been catastrophic.

 

 

Edited January 11 by Kid Icarus

[Dokko]

5 minutes ago, Elliottman said:

Botman, Tino and Hall were all fit and playing games. Burn was the only one missing. I don’t really know why you’re including Lacelles as he’s not been part of the squad for 2 years and you can say the same about Krath. 
 

Burn was the only one out injured and is 3 weeks away. If  The injuries to Schar and Tino don’t happen, we’re looking in good shape. 

 

Botman isn't the same player, so is still suffering from injury. Tino has picked up another injury so is still part of it, and Hall has been in and out (inluding patchy form) as well. None of those 3 are clear, but at least Hall & Tino would be had we other options. Botman is looking like its a serious blow to his quality, and may never be the same player, or will take months to get him back to where he was. 

 

I've included them two as they are on the books, have a squad place and picking up wages. They count.

 

Forgot about Trippier being out for 6 weeks as well. 

 

 

Edited January 11 by Dokko

[LFEE]

18 minutes ago, Dokko said:

 

Burn cannot cover at LB. You might as well play Ramsdale there.

Of course he can. He’s done brilliantly there the majority of the time considering it’s probably not his favoured position. Tell me a FB who occasionally doesn’t get skinned a few times a season in any team 

[Dokko]

1 minute ago, LFEE said:

Of course he can. He’s done brilliantly there the majority of the time considering it’s probably not his favoured position. Tell me a FB who occasionally doesn’t get skinned a few times a season in any team 

 

 

I can tell you one who gets skinned several times a game.

 

[Alberto2005]

It's obvious we need to sign someone and I'd be shocked if we didn't.

 

This talk around we're expecting Burn back soon so might not bother is irrelevant.

 

It assumes we won't get anymore injuries in the future, and with the current fit defenders we have having to play every minute I expect some of those to get injured aswell.

 

 

Edited January 11 by Alberto2005

[LFEE]

1 minute ago, Dokko said:

 

 

I can tell you one who gets skinned several times a game.

 

But he doesn’t. Even the infamous back to back Forest and Luton spell he got skinned probably twice each game. Was just the usual Fannie’s overreacting to us not being perfect.

[Dokko]

11 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Burn is our 3rd choice LB cover, that's a fine situation. I really don't think you can blame the club for not having the defensive cover it needed this season, we've just been simultaneously unlucky that our defence has been the only area that's been heavily hit by injuries and lucky that it wasn't concentrated in midfield or attack where it would have been catastrophic.

 

 

 

 

Who's our 2nd? Tino? But he's out 1st choice RB. This is where the squad gets stretched with just one injury (Hall) and the domino effect kicks in. 

 

4 competitions. That's a big ask for it not to happen.

[r0cafella]

51 minutes ago, Smal said:

it was clear it would be an issue back in the summer wasn’t it, really?

 

Tino played 37 out of 38 PL games last season, then a full summer tournament with maybe a week off before coming back for pre-season, then played every minute early season because there was nobody else when Hall got injured. Livramento getting injured a bit this season has nothing to do with being “injury prone”. It’s just bad squad building. Your first choice right back cannot be your back up left back, that’s crazy.

 

 

 

Amateur hour from us if we are being honest. 

[KennyUtd]

14 minutes ago, Dokko said:

 

 

I can tell you one who gets skinned several times a game.

 

Honestly this is just moany nonsense.

 

 

Edited January 11 by KennyUtd

[joeyt]

1 hour ago, Dokko said:

 

 

Exactly. Not every player coming in has to be a £30-50m proven PL player. We need to build a squad, and the best way to do that is take some punts from abroad. This has worked out well for many clubs in the league, and if we did the same, our key players wouldn't be ran into the ground and be rushed back. 

 

It's not as simple as just taking punts abroad though. People on here were angry we weren't signing Guessand and Kalimuendo in the summer They've both been useless. Have you any names in mind out of interest?

 

I think there's still an overhang in the club from the Anderson/Minteh/FFP summer and therefore we feel we can't afford to take punts on players

 

Also early January is notoriously not the time to be looking for bargains

[Kid Icarus]

24 minutes ago, Dokko said:

 

Who's our 2nd? Tino? But he's out 1st choice RB. This is where the squad gets stretched with just one injury (Hall) and the domino effect kicks in. 

 

4 competitions. That's a big ask for it not to happen.

Yep, Tino, but for a while it wasn't a guarantee that he was even our first choice RB because he wasn't great there and Trippier was clearly better. He was only getting a look in at LB.

 

We need a new RB basically, one that's good enough to compete with Tino for 1st spot/take his place if we sell him.

 

 

Edited January 11 by Kid Icarus

[IndonesianToon]

1 hour ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

That's not quite what happened though is it? We also have Burn who can cover LB, Krafth and Trips for RB. We were so comfortable we could loan out Targett. We have Lascelles/Schar/Thiaw/Botman on top of that for 2 CB positions.

 

I'm not saying I like those FB options or don't want more, but we were pretty well covered before a ridiculous number of injuries. 

 

 

 

 

Miley, don't forget miley

Although I'm not advocating for non transfer this window.

[kingxlnc]

I'd take Scalvini on loan with option to buy in the summer - test out his fitness first
Then that Methalie LB/LCB youngster

Those two as definites. 

I would also like one excellent RW/ST cover - unless Osula is back soon (he's almost perfect for the role tbh).
If Willock goes, then a CM as cover could be useful. 

We're having a similar season to Aston Villa last season - they dropped a few big loans and signings in the Jan and recovered very well and only just missed out on CL. 

 

[Stuy_O]

Do we even look at the loan market, or are going back to this debate about our scouting or how limited / rigid our shortlist list  is? 

 

 

 

[Dokko]

33 minutes ago, joeyt said:

 

It's not as simple as just taking punts abroad though. People on here were angry we weren't signing Guessand and Kalimuendo in the summer They've both been useless. Have you any names in mind out of interest?

 

I think there's still an overhang in the club from the Anderson/Minteh/FFP summer and therefore we feel we can't afford to take punts on players

 

Also early January is notoriously not the time to be looking for bargains

 

I don't really want to be drawn into an FM style argument for, but there are players out there. Young, older, contract issues, not needed and so on, and we don't seem to have the pulse on it to an extent others do. If there were no players, then football would cease to exist in a few years. So they are there. 

 

Instead of £55m on elanga. A rb, lb and rw, all punts for £55m combined, and we would have been better off. 

We can afford to take punts. What we can't afford is paying premium prices for Ramsey & Elanga and them not deliver. They've crippled us this season, more so than any punts, and usually the punts can be moved on for what you've paid. No one is paying us anywhere near what we paid for them 2. 

[nufc4eva]

Where we are in league and cups it would be ideal time to add a bit more and push on and ensure successful season, not strengthening feels stupid and doesn't have to be a huge spend.

[Theregulars]

2 minutes ago, Dokko said:

 

I don't really want to be drawn into an FM style argument for, but there are players out there. Young, older, contract issues, not needed and so on, and we don't seem to have the pulse on it to an extent others do. If there were no players, then football would cease to exist in a few years. So they are there. 

 

Instead of £55m on elanga. A rb, lb and rw, all punts for £55m combined, and we would have been better off. 

We can afford to take punts. What we can't afford is paying premium prices for Ramsey & Elanga and them not deliver. They've crippled us this season, more so than any punts, and usually the punts can be moved on for what you've paid. No one is paying us anywhere near what we paid for them 2. 

Name them

[Sibierski]

1 hour ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

That's not quite what happened though is it? We also have Burn who can cover LB, Krafth and Trips for RB. We were so comfortable we could loan out Targett. We have Lascelles/Schar/Thiaw/Botman on top of that for 2 CB positions.

 

I'm not saying I like those FB options or don't want more, but we were pretty well covered before a ridiculous number of injuries. 

 

 

 

Burn should never ever be a LB though, we have years of data and recent data to say it shouldn’t be. Then relying on players that had their own injury problems last season and on clear downward trajectory for RB is short sighted. 

[Dr.Spaceman]

9 minutes ago, Dokko said:

 

I don't really want to be drawn into an FM style argument for, but there are players out there. Young, older, contract issues, not needed and so on, and we don't seem to have the pulse on it to an extent others do. If there were no players, then football would cease to exist in a few years. So they are there. 

 

Instead of £55m on elanga. A rb, lb and rw, all punts for £55m combined, and we would have been better off. 

We can afford to take punts. What we can't afford is paying premium prices for Ramsey & Elanga and them not deliver. They've crippled us this season, more so than any punts, and usually the punts can be moved on for what you've paid. No one is paying us anywhere near what we paid for them 2. 

 

We are not the sort of club who can afford to spend £55m on "punts" though.

[Kid Icarus]

This idea that you can have a third choice LB that's also going to match up to your standards of being without flaws seems like pure fantasy. If they matched up to those standards they wouldn't be third choice.

 

Burn is more than good enough as a 3rd choice LB.

 

 

Edited January 11 by Kid Icarus