Paul Mitchell

[bobbydazzla]

29 minutes ago, Superior Acuña said:

Can someone tell me if I hate him or like him please, sounds a boring read 

If you’re a glass half full character you’ll like him because you think he’ll try to get us tapped into the global recruitment market through utilising data driven decision making from a wide network of scouts

 

If you’re a glass half empty character you’ll dislike him because you think he’s going to spray paint

“COCK PISS PIF” on Yasir’s car then plant the used spray can in Eddie’s sports bag 

 

 

Edited September 4, 2024 by bobbydazzla

[Shadow Puppets]

7 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

I get what you mean. For example...

 

Howe said in July that for him to be happy at the club, the new working dynamic with Mitchell and performance director James Bunce had to be right. On the addition of Bunce, Mitchell added: ‘I would like to believe someone as smart and intelligent as Eddie Howe would recognise quality wherever it came from. We’ve got to keep building that into our infrastructure.

 

‘That goes for scouting as well. I think good players are becoming harder to find because scouting is so competitive. But I think Eddie recognises good players and he also recognises this club is evolving to be bigger, and bigger and bigger. If you look at the super clubs, their infrastructure, their recruitment, they don’t just look at one market only. 

 

Feels pointed and a bit condescending. Obviously we can't hear how it was delivered though.

 

 

 

Things always seem different written down. It’s probably an interview we needed to see, to be honest, to stop the different personalities of the journalists (*cough*Craig Hope*cough*) clouding and framing specific quotes.

[The Bonk]

1 minute ago, Shadow Puppets said:

Things always seem different written down. It’s probably an interview we needed to see, to be honest, to stop the different personalities of the journalists (*cough*Craig Hope*cough*) clouding and framing specific quotes.

 

People have their bias and hear or see what they want to see regardless, mate.  

[Hudson]

10 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

I get what you mean. For example...

 

Howe said in July that for him to be happy at the club, the new working dynamic with Mitchell and performance director James Bunce had to be right. On the addition of Bunce, Mitchell added: ‘I would like to believe someone as smart and intelligent as Eddie Howe would recognise quality wherever it came from. We’ve got to keep building that into our infrastructure.

 

‘That goes for scouting as well. I think good players are becoming harder to find because scouting is so competitive. But I think Eddie recognises good players and he also recognises this club is evolving to be bigger, and bigger and bigger. If you look at the super clubs, their infrastructure, their recruitment, they don’t just look at one market only. 

 

Feels pointed and a bit condescending. Obviously we can't hear how it was delivered though.

 

 

 

Your like my lass, pulling stuff up from 2 months ago 

[SteV]

8 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

I get what you mean. For example...

 

Howe said in July that for him to be happy at the club, the new working dynamic with Mitchell and performance director James Bunce had to be right. On the addition of Bunce, Mitchell added: ‘I would like to believe someone as smart and intelligent as Eddie Howe would recognise quality wherever it came from. We’ve got to keep building that into our infrastructure.

 

‘That goes for scouting as well. I think good players are becoming harder to find because scouting is so competitive. But I think Eddie recognises good players and he also recognises this club is evolving to be bigger, and bigger and bigger. If you look at the super clubs, their infrastructure, their recruitment, they don’t just look at one market only. 

 

Feels pointed and a bit condescending. Obviously we can't hear how it was delivered though.

 

 

 

I interpreted that as saying Eddie isn’t being given enough choice of players because our scouting network isn’t big enough.

 

If there’s a good player in the Romanian league, Eddie will recognise he’s a good player, but not if he’s not presented to him. He can’t be expected to be across every league (obviously), so that’s why our scouting has to be better.

[Jordan]

Is Nickson still around? Feel like i‘ve not seen his name mentioned in articles etc for months now. 

[Jagten]

31 minutes ago, gdm said:

Chris Wood aside, have we really over paid for anyone?

Tonali pretty clearly.

[The College Dropout]

A lot of our signings we arguably overpaid *at the time*

 

Most of the English lads have the English PL tax. 

“Experts” said we overpaid for Isak.  That’s a bargain in hindsight. 
 

The experts also said the same about Tonali. 
 

 

 

[toon25]

1 hour ago, Joey47 said:

I think Mitchell speaks a lot of sense regarding the “Newcastle tax” and not submitting to it. But as mentioned on here many times throughout the window, Guehi can’t be the only player for £65 million and under that would have improved our defence.

 

I also like that he’s basically shitting on Ashworth and saying the scouting processes he had in place are outdated 

 

 

 

 

This was the point I was going to make...

 

Who, of the signings we've brought in, have we actually paid a 'Newcastle tax' for? I can't think of many aside from Wood - for other obvious reasons.

 

 

Edited September 4, 2024 by toon25

[Whitley mag]

Perhaps a bit patronising towards Howe in places, but things can read differently to how they were said.

 

Completely on board with his approach to transfers though, the strategy this summer looked very one dimensional to say the least.

[Hughesy]

I think it’s easier enough to argue a case for overpaying for Burn, Targett, Wood, Barnes, Hall and Livramento. Even Tonali as the most expensive Italian ever (I think?) could be seen as an overpay.

 

It doesn’t mean any of the signings above are bad signings per se. With Hall and Tino, hopefully the fees we paid will be bargains given their obvious potential, but we’ve dropped a pretty large amount of cash on them.

[Minhosa]

1 hour ago, McCormick said:

Maybe just me but I didn’t like that interview at all. Reads like a deflection and a power play.

Totally agree - I don’t like the quotes at all…

[cubaricho]

1 minute ago, Minhosa said:

1 hour ago, McCormick said:

Maybe just me but I didn’t like that interview at all. Reads like a deflection and a power play.

Totally agree - I don’t like the quotes at all…

 

Nothing like going out of your way to try and find a problem where there isn't one.  

[80]

Haven't read others' responses to this yet, but for me: 

 

I'm not minded to be generous in assessing what he says for a variety of reasons, so with that in mind, everything there comes across as a lot of hot air and politics. There's barely anything substantial to it that an outsider with passing knowledge couldn't say. The idea the Guehi saga has publicly drawn a line in the sand and shown our strength to other clubs is fanciful.

 

Also his grammar is horrific - "Was, let’s say, the scouting network, the lengths and breadths of our process bigger and broader enough?"

 

Happy to judge him on his future actions instead, but nothing here has impressed me.

 

 

Edited September 4, 2024 by 80

[500bhp]

53 minutes ago, gdm said:

Chris Wood aside, have we really over paid for anyone?

Isak at the time, maybe? But looks great value 24 months on. 

 

Tonali, most expensive ever Italian? Tino? Hall? 

 

He may be referring to those. 

[Gallowgate Toon]

Genuinely curious, which of his teams has won anything while he's been there? 

[Minhosa]

6 minutes ago, cubaricho said:

 

Nothing like going out of your way to try and find a problem where there isn't one.  

Let’s see how their relationship ends…

 

If there wasn’t a problem, he wouldn’t be getting wheeled out in front of the media.

[KaKa]

I liked the interview and I agree with a lot of what he had to say.

 

Mitchell has some excellent experience in player recruitment, especially working so extensively as a part of the Red Bull model with Ragnick.

 

It is up to Mitchell to really help bring Eddie along to his way of thinking, as that is ultimately how the top clubs function, and it is in Howe's best interest to adjust to that.

 

You can't really blame Howe too much if he has been a bit too rigid, as it is all he has ever known, and he hasn't been exposed to any different, and ultimately it got him the success he has had so far.

 

The good news is Howe is excellent at nurturing and maximising talent, and this should be his focus, and it fits very well with a DOF that can provide him with top prospects and talent to work with. Howe just needs to now trust Mitchell to do so and give it a chance to play out.

 

As Mitchell has said, Howe is sharp enough to know if the players provided are good enough or not, and as long as quality is coming in he will be happy, and it will make his job much easier.

 

Excited to see how things develop. It certainly looks like Ashworth's recruitment setup wasn't good enough, or at least not up to the standard Mitchell wants to set, which is pretty exciting.

 

 

 

[gdm]

10 minutes ago, 500bhp said:

Isak at the time, maybe? But looks great value 24 months on. 

 

Tonali, most expensive ever Italian? Tino? Hall? 

 

He may be referring to those. 

Tonali was AC Milan captain, Italy international. Think it was fairly accepted at the time we got him on the cheap side. So much so that when the gambling stuff came out a lot of people assumed AC Milan knew and thats how we got him cheap.

 

Hall was £28m we just sold Minteh for more 

[Deuce]

Feels like we can sum up the summer window as “Mitchell stepping into the void caused by Ashworth’s unceremonious departure, and he and Howe needing time to gel.”

[Nobody]

1 hour ago, Gallowgate Toon said:

Talking about overpaying for some of your current players is an interesting way to go about things.

 

Referenced himself in the third person. Giant red flag.

Who is it we've supposedly over spent on? Hall and Tonali if we're being harsh maybe? I can't really think of anyone else that we've signed that hasn't been a terrific signing at that price point

[Kid Icarus]

Not a fan of the way he's speaking tbh.

• He has that management speak about him that I'm hardwired to distrust.
• The 'won't pay over the odds' thing makes no sense when he'd already bid way over the odds for Guehi by the time we walked away.
• Rightly or wrongly I'm not sure how professional it is to dig out your predecessor, and
• I have no idea what he's thinking of suggesting we potentially overpaid on our existing players!

 

More than all of that though, I don't like the way he particularly spoke about Howe.

 

Howe is every bit a Newcastle manager and at our best has us playing exactly in keeping with our history imo. He was the chief architect of that, the founder of it from the take over, not just as a coach but as a de facto Director of Football.

 

Imo that's our foundation and identity, that's 'the philosophy' of Newcastle now, for want of a less clichéd description.

 

Of course we need a dedicated DoF and a long term strategy, but that philosophy should be the preface to Mitchell's input. Howe not only has the right to a say on that basis, he has the credit in the bank as a coach, as part of the recruitment team pre-Mitchell and pre-Ashworth (when we signed our best players I should add), and has a fantastic record for spotting talent and talent that goes on to make a huge profit.

 

Mitchell has a good record too (albeit that Monaco forum has casted doubt on that for me), but imo this needs to remain as a collaboration and be understood as being such, not as an exercise in sidelining Howe to coaching alone with him seen as a problem if he's not on board with Mitchell's player choices.

 

Howe has the scorecard marked massively in his favour, on several fronts and particularly with us, to warrant his continued inclusion in recruitment, whereas so far Mitchell has a couple against him on his scorecard and quite frankly I don't particularly trust him or Eales at the moment. 

 

 

Edited September 4, 2024 by Kid Icarus

[Irish Magpie]

Amazes me sometimes how we can all read the same things and yet arrive at different conclusions. I read Hope's (Boo!) and Douglas's articles and on the whole found nothing but positivity for the future.

Never read Edward's as it may have incensed me.

Most of what I took from it was Ashworth is a charlatan, already past his expertise/experience level (dinosaur) and being left behind - good luck Man U! (snigger).

[Nobody]

1 hour ago, timeEd32 said:

If you only read the Hope piece then you'd definitely come away feeling like it was all quite negative and entirely focused on Eddie. Everyone should read the Hope, Edwards, and Douglas pieces because it definitely shows the spin Hope is putting on things.

 

I wish the club would release a video of the entire interview.

The way English media work is really fucking weird like. The journos just puts a bunch of quotes out and then make their own article around that, instead of actually posting the questions and the direct answers to those questions and then have an analysis around it. 

An article about an interview should make it very clear what questions are being answered, but that never seems to happen in British media. 

[TheBrownBottle]

The Brown Bottle read Paul Mitchell's comments, and The Brown Bottle is of the opinion that constantly referring to yourself in the third person is totally and utterly normal.