Yoane Wissa

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, PauloGeordio said:

Wonder why though. He looked to be arsed for Brentford. Maybe the intense training has done him in 

Haha maybe you’re right!  It just all feels very ‘final big payday’ to me.  It happens with players sometimes - Winston Bogarde is the one who always sticks out in my head in terms of that.  Wonder if Howe has had a chat with his scouting team over the Sunday family dinner table?

[PauloGeordio]

2 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Haha maybe you’re right!  It just all feels very ‘final big payday’ to me.  It happens with players sometimes - Winston Bogarde is the one who always sticks out in my head in terms of that.  Wonder if Howe has had a chat with his scouting team over the Sunday family dinner table?

Hopefully some lessons learned along the way. Interesting summer transfer window that’s for sure.

[Kid Icarus]

16 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Being unfit = potential docking of wages.  Being disinterested on the pitch doesn’t.  
 

Howe’s just said that the lad is fit and needs to buck his ideas up - the only defence for him previously was a lack of fitness.  Howe isn’t the type to call players out in public, so he must be steaming.   

It just doesn't sound at all plausible for a player to be both the fittest they've ever been while they've been here then consciously think ah that'll do, I'll not bother now I'm on the pitch.

 

Howe's said he needs to perform, taking from that that there's an issue with laziness is a bit of an assumption. He's said the same thing publicly about them performing before before

 

"I have to ask them to be really honest and look at their best levels, and judge them against that now in this current moment. I don't think there are too many who can say they are playing their best. That then gives us growth to improve." 

 

and apparently said similar to them last season in private when certain players (Gordon and Isak were insinuated) weren't hitting the heights.

 

It could be an accusation of laziness from Howe, but I think that's a bit of confirmation bias based on his performances tbh, he's said it before.

[TheBrownBottle]

11 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

It just doesn't sound at all plausible for a player to be both the fittest they've ever been while they've been here then consciously think ah that'll do, I'll not bother now I'm on the pitch.

 

Howe's said he needs to perform, taking from that that there's an issue with laziness is a bit of an assumption. He's said the same thing publicly about them performing before before

 

"I have to ask them to be really honest and look at their best levels, and judge them against that now in this current moment. I don't think there are too many who can say they are playing their best. That then gives us growth to improve." 

 

and apparently said similar to them last season in private when certain players (Gordon and Isak were insinuated) weren't hitting the heights.

 

It could be an accusation of laziness from Howe, but I think that's a bit of confirmation bias based on his performances tbh, he's said it before.

It’s an implied attitude problem to me - and the same goes for Gordon and Isak (Isak was pretty much borne out I’d say).  If it was a form issue, Wissa would be in amongst it, missing chances.   

[Shearergol]

No way is this him not trying. He’s just bang out of form. Whether he ever gets it back for us is another question.

[Abacus]

1 hour ago, Kid Icarus said:

It just doesn't sound at all plausible for a player to be both the fittest they've ever been while they've been here then consciously think ah that'll do, I'll not bother now I'm on the pitch.

 

Howe's said he needs to perform, taking from that that there's an issue with laziness is a bit of an assumption. He's said the same thing publicly about them performing before before

 

"I have to ask them to be really honest and look at their best levels, and judge them against that now in this current moment. I don't think there are too many who can say they are playing their best. That then gives us growth to improve." 

 

and apparently said similar to them last season in private when certain players (Gordon and Isak were insinuated) weren't hitting the heights.

 

It could be an accusation of laziness from Howe, but I think that's a bit of confirmation bias based on his performances tbh, he's said it before.

 

For what it's worth i didn't think he meant untrainable or disinterested, hence his fitness comment. So, he's ready to play, he just needs to earn his place with actual performances. Kick up the backside maybe.

 

I was gagging for Wissa to start initially before the Dr Congo debacle to give Wolt a chance to bed into the league - a player I do still think is a huge talent and has been used out of position by necessity, or as an experiment.

 

On which note, I'll always be grateful for Ciaran Clark getting sent off for making Joelinton the beast he was and still is, an experiment nobody expected. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Which is a slight diversion from the Wissa subject, I fully admit.

 

 

[Hhtoon]

21 minutes ago, Shearergol said:

No way is this him not trying. He’s just bang out of form. Whether he ever gets it back for us is another question.

 

I agree with this. Being "rubbish" doesn't necessarily equate to bad attitude. Yes it's a damning statement and understandable as I'm sure Howe is disappointed by his poor form - he's under pressure himself and signings reflect badly on him.

[Theregulars]

I’m sure I remember Howe saying similar about Hall and Gordon, but that was a lot more understandable and acceptable given their age. I hope it’s just a motivation thing but it makes little sense when we’ve obviously needed him so badly and he’s produced little.

 

for me the bizarre bit is I’m sure when I watched him for Brentford he ran around and pressed a lot and generally looked sharp and snappy. I sometimes play football with Adam Clery and he was saying the injury is much worse than was let on, but then why not just say he’s still not fully fit. 
 

All-in hard not to conclude that Howe is probably telling the truth and he’s just not playing very well. Maybe one of those that shone in a particular system or squad but just doesn’t translate somewhere else. 

[TRon]

18 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

It’s an implied attitude problem to me - and the same goes for Gordon and Isak (Isak was pretty much borne out I’d say).  If it was a form issue, Wissa would be in amongst it, missing chances.   

 

He missed quite a few before being dropped tbh. I think he's made poor decisions which have led to us losing possession quite a few times as well. It's not necessarily an attitude problem, might just be he's playing poor football in general. 

[Gottlob]

Is it possible, given his age and relative experience, that he's upset about not being part of the leadership team?

[Mike]

4 minutes ago, Gottlob said:

Is it possible, given his age and relative experience, that he's upset about not being part of the leadership team?

 

Quit on his last team no way he deserves that based on his age alone.

[Stottie]

We've seen a goalscorer not score for us and generally look pretty bad before with Chris Wood. Sometimes transfers just don't work out.

Wood was excellent the following season for Forest.

[toon25]

Unused sub when we're knackered and needing fresh legs. The bloke will be off in the summer.

[John P]

Two tough games in five days and this bloke is the only senior player in the squad who didn't get some significant game time. Not even a single second. Really doesn't bode well for him

[buzz]

Not in the dressing room photo 

[black_n_white]

How’s it going fatty?

[black_n_white]

15 minutes ago, John P said:

Two tough games in five days and this bloke is the only senior player in the squad who didn't get some significant game time. Not even a single second. Really doesn't bode well for him

Because he is fucking shit

[Pilko]

26 minutes ago, buzz said:

Not in the dressing room photo 

 

He hadn't finished the extra running quickly enough, was still on his first lap.

[KaKa]

Turkey or Saudi in the summer.

[Guillaume]

Something definitely not right

[RUHRLYASLEEVESUP]

3 minutes ago, KaKa said:

Turkey or Saudi in the summer.

Hes 100% choosing the turkey twizlers 

[KaKa]

I get the feeling he was told he needed to step up and more was expected, or he wouldn't play, and he's gone into a sulk.

 

And this has likely and rightfully pissed off the coaching staff.

[Mikky]

6 minutes ago, KaKa said:

Turkey or Saudi in the summer.

If Ross Wilson can get this guy a move to Saudi then I am prepared to start a petition for Wilson to get a statue 

[nufc123]

Its clear Howe doesnt trust him anymore.

[Pearljam10]

In hiding