Benjamin Šeško (playing for Man United)

[Kid Icarus]

We have our own resident Glazer educator who's laid it all out for us.

 

You can insist Glazer was worse all you want, why we're supposed to take the assertion seriously when by your own admission you know nothing about the Ashley-era (and it shows) I'll never know.

 

I'd hazard a guess that your colleagues don't either, but it's par for the course and we found that regularly during the Ashley Out era - most are beyond clueless, but nigh on everyone still has an opinion that they think has worth and we should listen to, you and your mates are no different. 

 

 

Edited August 1, 2025 by Kid Icarus

[Menace]

 

Looks absolutely dodgy and that haircut is fucking shite - I don't want him.

[Ben]

14 minutes ago, Andy84 said:

When creepy Ben tweets about a Cartel clubs interest you know what time it is 

 

 

 

 

The fuck have I said now ?

[Froggy]

2 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

You can insist Glazer was worse all you want, why we're supposed to take the assertion seriously when by your own admission you know nothing about the Ashley-era (and it shows) I'll never know.

 

 If I've said this I'm trying to be polite.

 

I've been on this board for 15 years. How would I not know about Ashley? I would wager that there are very, very few opposition fans who know more about it than me.

 

 

Edited August 1, 2025 by Froggy

[KingArthur]

4 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Agreed. I think for closure we should ask ChatGPT, as everyone on this board loves AI.

 

 

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Conclusion: Mike Ashley was the lesser of two evils

 

While both Ashley and the Glazers were deeply unpopular, the Glazers caused more long-term harm to their club’s financial and cultural foundations, despite having vastly more resources. Ashley, for all his faults — and there were many — kept Newcastle afloat without saddling them with debt and eventually left.

 

The Glazers, by contrast, extracted wealth, neglected the club’s infrastructure, and have refused to let go despite fan fury. Their ownership has created a toxic environment that persists nearly 20 years later.

📉 In terms of damage done relative to potential, the Glazers are worse.

 

 

Great logic. Ashley, who did nothing for 15 years, didnt cause "long term harm" for club that was maybe the only one in EPL whose commercial revenue didn't improve in 15 years. And was relegated twice.

[Froggy]

2 minutes ago, KingArthur said:

Great logic. Ashley, who did nothing for 15 years, didnt cause "long term harm" for club that was maybe the only one in EPL whose commercial revenue didn't improve in 15 years. And was relegated twice.

 

Bring it up with the robot.

[SiLvOR]

45 minutes ago, Froggy said:

The Arsenal fan did say Gyokeres is better than Isak,

Now that I can believe 

[Famous Nick]

 dont see this happening. really has the feeling he is twerking for Man Utd as they surely can offer way higher salary. if that doesnt happen they become interested in Newcastle. I dont like that.

[Froggy]

2 minutes ago, SiLvOR said:

Now that I can believe 

 

Was deadly serious as well. Said he's overrated because he's had a couple of good seasons. All of his opinions are terrible except for the Glazers being worse than Ashley.

[bobbydazzla]

 

I can confirm that ChatGPT is working properly again now

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 1, 2025 by bobbydazzla

[Mike]

18 hours ago, The Prophet said:

 

 

 Cool. There's a month left, move on. Hold that fucking rat hostage and make a deliberate search for a promising forward that can grow with the club.

[Kid Icarus]

11 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

 If I've said this I'm trying to be polite.

 

I've been on this board for 15 years. How would I not know about Ashley? I would wager that there are very, very few opposition fans who know more about it than me.

 

I don't doubt it, but that bar is extremely low and age belies wisdom when you demonstrate it regardless tbf.

 

You tried to tell us that Ashley - the ultimate austerity football owner - never took money out of the club ffs.  

 

On this subject the best way to give you an idea of what you're like to us is to think of what that Israeli in the Gaza thread was like.

 

 

 

[Turnbull2000]

Where the heck is that from? And why does it neglect to mention that our stadium and training facilities were also allowed to fall into decay? Imagine Man U players recovering in wheelie bins full of ice water, or the ref room literally falling to pieces - it was slum landlord levels of degradation. 

[Froggy]

2 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

I don't doubt it, but that bar is extremely low and age belies wisdom when you demonstrate it regardless tbf.

 

You tried to tell us that Ashley - the ultimate austerity football owner - never took money out of the club ffs.  

 

On this subject the best way to give you an idea of what you're like to us is to think of what that Israeli in the Gaza thread was like.

 

I'm not sure. My entire argument was based on financial facts from well respected sources such as Swiss Ramble and Kieran Maguire (who despises us by the way). They stated that Ashley never explicitly took money out of the club. It's not even an opinion, as most of the things I've said are straight off pages that crunched the numbers.

 

Bit different from the IDF loon who refused to admit the genocide we're literally seeing play out in front of us.

 

But no matter, that's going way too far into something that doesn't matter anymore.  Well, not for you anyway, as Ashley was nice enough to sell.

[alexf]

There's also a bit to mention. That if PIF don't take over when they did,we are 100% getting relegated in 2021/2022 under Bruce and Ashley and I don't know how we would have recovered from that point. We had a aging squad with the likes of Shelvey, Gayle etc probably the ones tasked with bringing us back. 

 

I think if we had suffered a 3rd relegation under Ashley at that point, which was a certainty if he hadn't left, I think it would have been the death of the club atleast for the next decade or so. 

 

 

Edited August 1, 2025 by alexf

[alexf]

7 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

I'm not sure. My entire argument was based on financial facts from well respected sources such as Swiss Ramble and Kieran Maguire (who despises us by the way). They stated that Ashley never explicitly took money out of the club. It's not even an opinion, as most of the things I've said are straight off pages that crunched the numbers.

 

Bit different from the IDF loon who refused to admit the genocide we're literally seeing play out in front of us.

 

But no matter, that's going way too far into something that doesn't matter anymore.  Well, not for you anyway, as Ashley was nice enough to sell.

On paper maybe no, but he shut down massive revenue streams by starving us of sponsorships etc for paying nothing for sports direct.

 

When you see the growth of teams around us at that time, Spurs probably the best example. Who are probably double our revenue before this take over or more which is likely worth £300-500m (more than our entire club was sold for) then I think you can equate that to "taking money out of the club" he stopped significant income for Newcastle for his own personal gain (Sports direct)

[TRon]

22 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Was deadly serious as well. Said he's overrated because he's had a couple of good seasons. All of his opinions are terrible except for the Glazers being worse than Ashley.

 

 

What's wrong with the Glazers like?

 

 

[duo]

Man U have to sell to buy though

[Izakaya]

1 minute ago, duo said:

Man U have to sell to buy though

Garnacho is going to Chelsea. 

[duo]

2 minutes ago, Izakaya said:

Garnacho is going to Chelsea. 

Thanks to PIF Felix £££

[The College Dropout]

Someone on Twitter said something like "£80m for 13 Bundes is crazy"  it's funny because it's true. We've seen players score double that in Bundesliga and still flop

[Kid Icarus]

1 hour ago, Froggy said:

 

I'm not sure. My entire argument was based on financial facts from well respected sources such as Swiss Ramble and Kieran Maguire (who despises us by the way). They stated that Ashley never explicitly took money out of the club. It's not even an opinion, as most of the things I've said are straight off pages that crunched the numbers.

 

Bit different from the IDF loon who refused to admit the genocide we're literally seeing play out in front of us.

 

But no matter, that's going way too far into something that doesn't matter anymore.  Well, not for you anyway, as Ashley was nice enough to sell.

Like I tried to say last time, you can take money out of the club in more ways than profit extraction.

 

Ashley did it mainly through austerity - stopping the club spending revenue it created itself - instead giving deals to his other companies that would have otherwise cost millions for free, for years - and stopping it increasing revenue in the process. Then through not spending on everything from infrastructure, maintenance, hospitality, hires, wages etc - everything basically, but also extended to him trying to withdraw us from the Europa League because of the risk vs reward not being worth it. 

 

When the club was relegated TWICE due to his mismanagement and lack of investment the loans he funneled into the club (remembering that he'd saved money through no advertising costs etc in the first place) to protect his asset were spun as something we should be grateful for rather than a consequence of his own destruction of that asset. Very easy to call it "his" money despite him withholding money the club should have rightfully had in the first place.

 

When the club returned to the Premier League and made money through being on the gravy train, selling players etc it was used to pay himself back.  

 

Austerity is a method of extraction that's a lot easier to spin as something it isn't while being incredibly destructive.

 

And just for good measure, he also did it explicitly anyway, using the club to give his other businesses interest free loans that hampered our own bottom line and ability to spend money the club had generated.

 

That's the tip of the iceberg. Any attempt to be better was met with acrimony and dismissal. Good manager meant no budget and them going, bad manager meant spend enough to finish 17th.

 

With Ashley there was no chance whatsoever of success in spite of him, let alone because of him.

 

 

Edited August 1, 2025 by Kid Icarus

[duo]

I still think we try for him as he can be Isaks replacement when he goes next season

[Vinny Green Balls]

20 minutes ago, duo said:

I still think we try for him as he can be Isaks replacement when he goes next season

That would be a waving big dick move.

[Wolfcastle]

Knowing Isak is going and Isak money coming, pairing them (or someone other than Sesko) for a year knowing the money will be replenished and then some anyway is the best result.