Jacob Ramsey

[The College Dropout]

5 minutes ago, STM said:

 

Perhaps but theres a clear pathway. Sean Neave has been involved in pre season and hes nowhere near the level.

 

Both Anderson and Miley were brought into the senior squad. Anderson would likely be a starter for us now, or be closer to Tonali/Bruno/Joelinton than what Miley is.

 

Its the same old story. If Howe brings a young player in when they aren't ready, we lose games and then the same people criticise him for team selection.

 

We aren't Man City, we dont have the level of youth players to inject into the side. Thats not a Howe problem. It is improving though.

There’s not a clear pathway. As of May 2025 Howe would rather play 5 at the back or Joe Willock than play Lewis Miley. Ramsey is now in the mix. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I genuinely can't believe we're still talking about Lewis Hall situation in this way. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 minute ago, Mazzy said:

Would Howe give him a spot on the bench rather than putting two keepers or Neave there? I think he might. 

 

Maybe but he probably wouldn't bring him on. Maybe for a quick runout at the end. 

[STM]

Just now, The College Dropout said:

There’s not a clear pathway. As of May 2025 Howe would rather play 5 at the back or Joe Willock than play Lewis Miley. Ramsey is now in the mix. 

 

Would you rather lose games but develop players? 

 

Theres no top club which does that. All the other top clubs which "develop" youngsters, normally have the most talented youngsters in Europe.

 

And for those clubs below us that do it, they are below us for a reason.

 

If you can find a way of playing our young players whilst not losing games, im all ears.

[SteV]

2 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

There’s not a clear pathway. As of May 2025 Howe would rather play 5 at the back or Joe Willock than play Lewis Miley. Ramsey is now in the mix. 

Think that’s a bit misleading. It was Joelinton that was missing in May and Howe doesn’t think Miley is a good fit on the left, so went a different way.

 

If it had of been Tonali or Bruno missing, I think Miley played.

[The College Dropout]

2 minutes ago, Pandamninator said:

The only two young players of merit so far are Miley and Hall.

 

Miley has had a bit of bad luck on the injury front, but despite the concern at the time, is anyone going to question the end result for Hall?

Tino, Osula and Anderson. 
 

Anderson was unlucky with injuries. He was set to get good minutes in the CL season as Joe’s understudy. 
 

Tino was stellar yet initially underutilised in the CL season. 
 

Hall was underutilised in the CL season. 
 

I love Howe. But those decisions cost us points with how bad Burn and Trippier were for a long time. 

[The College Dropout]

2 minutes ago, STM said:

 

Would you rather lose games but develop players? 

 

Theres no top club which does that. All the other top clubs which "develop" youngsters, normally have the most talented youngsters in Europe.

 

And for those clubs below us that do it, they are below us for a reason.

 

If you can find a way of playing our young players whilst not losing games, im all ears.

This goes back to PIF - what are we doing here?

 

If we aren’t going to bend PSR rules. We need to be a club that develops and sells players. So by nature you sign players that need development over more established players with lower ceilings. If that’s the case you go Wenger era Arsenal or modern day Brighton or even Palace. You sign a kid to start or immediate backup. Manager knows that’s the game. Owners now you might have a season where too many players aren’t ready and you fall down the table a bit. 
 

We don’t seem to be pursuing that.  We seem to be demanding results now. And signing players with a good amount of experience (while still being youngish) to play big roles this season. Which is why I’m concerned about Miley. Unless Howe’s perception has changed.  Miley is only going to get serious minutes in an injury crisis. 

[bobbydazzla]

As annoying as it's been, we can learn a lesson from this summer

 

If we're fishing for salmon in the same pool as Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal we'll have some tugs at the end of our rod but we won't be eating salmon for dinner

Salmon is the fish everyone wants, but the chances of us landing one in our net are slim to none

 

We need to be fishing in the next pool along, there's rainbow trout in there but fewer anglers want to catch them

And once we've landed the trout we then get our Michelin star Head Chef Eddie to turn them into a delicious dinner, that actually tastes better than salmon

 

Or something like that

[KennyUtd]

Just now, bobbydazzla said:

As annoying as it's been, we can learn a lesson from this summer

 

If we're fishing for salmon in the same pool as Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal we'll have some tugs at the end of our rod but we won't be eating salmon for dinner

Salmon is the fish everyone wants, but the chances of us landing one in our net are slim to none

 

We need to be fishing in the next pool along, there's rainbow trout in there but fewer anglers want to catch them

And once we've landed the trout we then get our Michelin star Head Chef Eddie to turn them into a delicious dinner, that actually tastes better than salmon

 

Or something like that

Alright Mr Cantona.

[The College Dropout]

Even though I agree Ramsey has been brought in to compete with Joelinton. If either Tonali or Bruno couldn’t play, it would be Ramsey to come in. 

[JonBez comesock]

19 minutes ago, Bunk Moreland said:

 

The Orecchiette Offender saying our bid to Villa for Ramsey was £38m+£2m and Villa want £40m straight up

Is it not £30m plus £10?

[Turnbull2000]

5 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

As annoying as it's been, we can learn a lesson from this summer

 

If we're fishing for salmon in the same pool as Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal we'll have some tugs at the end of our rod but we won't be eating salmon for dinner

Salmon is the fish everyone wants, but the chances of us landing one in our net are slim to none

 

We need to be fishing in the next pool along, there's rainbow trout in there but fewer anglers want to catch them

And once we've landed the trout we then get our Michelin star Head Chef Eddie to turn them into a delicious dinner, that actually tastes better than salmon

 

Or something like that

 

What have I just read 

[STM]

1 minute ago, The College Dropout said:

This goes back to PIF - what are we doing here?

 

If we aren’t going to bend PSR rules. We need to be a club that develops and sells players. So by nature you sign players that need development over more established players with lower ceilings. If that’s the case you go Wenger era Arsenal or modern day Brighton or even Palace. You sign a kid to start or immediate backup. Manager knows that’s the game. Owners now you might have a season where too many players aren’t ready and you fall down the table a bit. 
 

We don’t seem to be pursuing that.  We seem to be demanding results now. And signing players with a good amount of experience (while still being youngish) to play big roles this season. Which is why I’m concerned about Miley. Unless Howe’s perception has changed.  Miley is only going to get serious minutes in an injury crisis. 

 

Yes but you just blamed Howe. Which was my point of contention.

 

Its a really simple question, would you accept losing games of football if it meant developing players? And if yes, would you accept a worse league position, not making Europe and signing worse players as a result?

 

Also why would Howe stake his job on young players who aren't good enough? Its mental. There were some who were calling for his head mid-way through the two previous seasons.

 

If you are truly talking about PIF and our strategy. Yes I think we are at a stage where we need to start fighting ugly on the PSR front. Investing in our new training centre would be a start, expanding our scouting network etc. No disagreeing on that front.... but I believe it will happen.

 

As for Howe playing young players, he cant play them if they aren't good enough. We cant afford to lose games. We cant afford to drop a single point because we tried to "develop" a player on the pitch.

 

We aren't Brighton and we sure as hell shouldn't aspire to be Brighton.

[alexf]

1 minute ago, JonBez comesock said:

Is it not £30m plus £10?

Romano seems to have a tendency to downplay the cost of Liverpool, Chelsea , Man U spend to the minimum it might be and then the opposite and hype up the high end figure when it's us. 

[Kanj]

5 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Even though I agree Ramsey has been brought in to compete with Joelinton. If either Tonali or Bruno couldn’t play, it would be Ramsey to come in. 

Yeah, fair assumption now. Would need to see how it plays out this season. Theres every chance in the world that if Bruno can’t play RCM - Miley steps into that role or plays the base and Tonali goes there. We just don’t know yet. 

[TRon]

24 minutes ago, Bunk Moreland said:

 

The Orecchiette Offender saying our bid to Villa for Ramsey was £38m+£2m and Villa want £40m straight up

 

 

Fuck me, talk about splitting hairs. 

 

 

Edited August 13, 2025 by TRon

[54]

8 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

This goes back to PIF - what are we doing here?

 

If we aren’t going to bend PSR rules. We need to be a club that develops and sells players. So by nature you sign players that need development over more established players with lower ceilings. If that’s the case you go Wenger era Arsenal or modern day Brighton or even Palace. You sign a kid to start or immediate backup. Manager knows that’s the game. Owners now you might have a season where too many players aren’t ready and you fall down the table a bit. 
 

We don’t seem to be pursuing that.  We seem to be demanding results now. And signing players with a good amount of experience (while still being youngish) to play big roles this season. Which is why I’m concerned about Miley. Unless Howe’s perception has changed.  Miley is only going to get serious minutes in an injury crisis. 

We've signed a hell of a lot of young talent under PIF like:

 

Kuol, Minteh, Park, Murphy, Vilca, Pivas, Ashby, Livramento, Hall, Osula, Salia, Cordero, and they're just the noticeable ones. 

[The Prophet]

5 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

This goes back to PIF - what are we doing here?

 

If we aren’t going to bend PSR rules. We need to be a club that develops and sells players. So by nature you sign players that need development over more established players with lower ceilings. If that’s the case you go Wenger era Arsenal or modern day Brighton or even Palace. You sign a kid to start or immediate backup. Manager knows that’s the game. Owners now you might have a season where too many players aren’t ready and you fall down the table a bit. 
 

We don’t seem to be pursuing that.  We seem to be demanding results now. And signing players with a good amount of experience (while still being youngish) to play big roles this season. Which is why I’m concerned about Miley. Unless Howe’s perception has changed.  Miley is only going to get serious minutes in an injury crisis. 

 

To maintain a squad that competes for trophies and European qualification, we need players for the here and now.

 

However, the substantial recruitment drive of players, scouts and coaches across youth level suggests that developing talent is going to be a priority. We won't see the fruits of that for at least a couple of years though.

[STM]

Assuming we sign Wissa and completely ignoring Isak, our 2x12s looks like this:

 

Pope-Ramsdale

 

Tino*-Trippier

Schar-Thiaw

Burn-Botman

Hall-Tino*

 

Bruno-Ramsey (i know hes LCM)

Tonali-Miley

Joelinton-Willock

 

Elanga-Murphy

Wissa-Osula

Gordon-Barnes

 

 

 

[TheBrownBottle]

2 minutes ago, STM said:

Assuming we sign Wissa and completely ignoring Isak, our 2x12s looks like this:

 

Pope-Ramsdale

 

Tino*-Trippier

Schar-Thiaw

Burn-Botman

Hall-Tino*

 

Bruno-Ramsey (i know hes LCM)

Tonali-Miley

Joelinton-Willock

 

Elanga-Murphy

Wissa-Osula

Gordon-Barnes

 

 

 

Was thinking about this today.  Other than at CF (allowing for the Isak situation) I think we look stronger than we did at the start of last season - which has to be the aim

[TRon]

2 minutes ago, STM said:

Assuming we sign Wissa and completely ignoring Isak, our 2x12s looks like this:

 

Pope-Ramsdale

 

Tino*-Trippier

Schar-Thiaw

Burn-Botman

Hall-Tino*

 

Bruno-Ramsey (i know hes LCM)

Tonali-Miley

Joelinton-Willock

 

Elanga-Murphy

Wissa-Osula

Gordon-Barnes

 

 

 

 

 

The squad is getting there, you can see it taking shape. Only the striker situation needs addressing and hopefully it will be done in the next couple of weeks. 

[bobbydazzla]

8 minutes ago, Turnbull2000 said:

 

What have I just read 

 

I've just been watching an old episode of Robson Green's Extreme Fisting and felt inspired 

[Zero]

6 minutes ago, 54 said:

We've signed a hell of a lot of young talent under PIF like:

 

Kuol, Minteh, Park, Murphy, Vilca, Pivas, Ashby, Livramento, Hall, Osula, Salia, Cordero, and they're just the noticeable ones. 

to be fair they did, but not enough. The likes of Chelsea and Liverpool signed much much more

[Zero]

1 minute ago, TRon said:

 

 

The squad is getting there, you can see it taking shape. Only the striker situation needs addressing and hopefully it will be done in the next couple of weeks. 

We just lack a ST. Even if Isak won’t come back it’s good enough for another top 6 finish

[Tiresias]

I don't get some of the negativity here, i am concerned about injury record but other than that i trust in Howe in developing him as a player, he will bring him to a new level like he has done for so many of ours