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Actually you can, and absolutely everybody does. I care more about the morality of the NUFC ownership than I do the Uber ownership. I care more about the wrongdoings of the British state than I do the wrongdoings of the Tajikistan state. Campaigners who dedicate their lives to combating domestic violence care more about domestic violence than they do climate change. No human can possibly dedicate the same level of investment into each and every moral outrage. Picking and choosing is the only option, and if you reject that then you're arguing no-one should ever express any sort of moral concern about any act, which would be perverse. My argument isn't righteous indignation against the world, it's the Saudi side of things, you can't say it's close to home so you will be outraged by this but not about UK Government arms sales, usage of petrol, uber, Twitter, lyft, Snapchat, Deezer, the list goes on, all in use over here and I'll bet most of you if not all have used something on that list. Again, I want to reiterate I'm not defending the Saudis and I'm not saying this is ok, but I'm not about to jump on my moral high horse and vilify NUFC and boycott when I can finally reconnect when I regularly use Twitter, petrol, etc.. and have never been vocal about government involvement. My personal opinion is that I'd be a hypocrite to do so. So you lads would hate to be hypocrites but are happy to continue to support sportswashing of murderous regimes using your own football club? nice one. At least you're not hypocrites. Hows that hypocrisy? No one is advocating supporting the Saudi regime. I'm saying that going to football match is no more supporting the Saudis than say, filling your car full of petrol or any number of other activities. The post you agree with claims hating on the saudi's but still buying petrol is hypocrisy. I'm shocked you both find NUFC being owned by these people more palatable than being seen as a hypocrite. I don't think it's hypocrisy either way. I'm bringing this in here, where it belongs. I want to state again, I don't find "sports washing" palatable, I also don't find targeting NUFC palatable when similar purchases are happening everywhere. I'm not supporting PIF and I'm not calling anyone a hypocrite. I just want to support a successful NUFC again, I have no control over the owners of NUFC, just as I have no control over who supplies my petrol, who's profiteering from my use of Twitter or Uber when I'm in the states, it doesn't mean I accept their practices. As STM said in the other thread, you obviously feel very passionate about this and I applaud you for that, you're entitled to your opinion on this and your feelings on supporting NUFC in its new guise and I get where you're coming from. Maybe this is the catalyst to bring all the other issues to the forefront.

Actually you can, and absolutely everybody does. I care more about the morality of the NUFC ownership than I do the Uber ownership. I care more about the wrongdoings of the British state than I do the wrongdoings of the Tajikistan state. Campaigners who dedicate their lives to combating domestic violence care more about domestic violence than they do climate change. No human can possibly dedicate the same level of investment into each and every moral outrage. Picking and choosing is the only option, and if you reject that then you're arguing no-one should ever express any sort of moral concern about any act, which would be perverse. My argument isn't righteous indignation against the world, it's the Saudi side of things, you can't say it's close to home so you will be outraged by this but not about UK Government arms sales, usage of petrol, uber, Twitter, lyft, Snapchat, Deezer, the list goes on, all in use over here and I'll bet most of you if not all have used something on that list. Again, I want to reiterate I'm not defending the Saudis and I'm not saying this is ok, but I'm not about to jump on my moral high horse and vilify NUFC and boycott when I can finally reconnect when I regularly use Twitter, petrol, etc.. and have never been vocal about government involvement. My personal opinion is that I'd be a hypocrite to do so.

Hes not said alot wrong there. I think what annoys me is the concentration on sport. If this journalist has a portfolio of articles on Saudi Arabia and how our government deals with them, then I suppose hes earned the right to talk about it. If his first article on the Saudi regime is related to the owning football clubs, then hes kind of missing the point. I think he's an intelligent Lad and knows all about Saudi Arabia but he's a football journalist...truth hurts doesn't it. Out of the frying pan and into the fire we go... The truth doesnt hurt me whatsoever. :lol: Like I say, our government can deal in arms with the Saudis but I cant enjoy some football which is partially funded by them? Na, fuck off. I absolutely get it, there are moral issues to comprehend here but it does all feel very reactionary and targeted. The Saudi royal family and indeed PIF have majority shareholdings all over the shop and have been building a large portfolio for a number of years. No one is boycotting UBER for example, people are even complaining about Saudi ownership on Twitter, you know the platform that has Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Bin Abdulaziz Alsaud as one their majority shareholders. This is not a defence, but you can't pick and choose your moral outrages. None of these pieces that are questioning the acquisition are mentioning any of the other issues in the West, most pertinently our own government's involvement with Saudi.

Samuel is just crying because he's spent so much time up Ashley's ring that he doesn't know a way out. He knows we hate Ashley so he wants to make us squirm a little while long while earning some clicks. All the evidence is contrary to what he says, he's a chancer, a liar and an irrelevance.

Wish I never asked, grim

We can't afford to keep Bruce for long after a takeover, can you imagine having him in charge of any transfer window? We need someone to take the club forward, not further back!

Oh it'll of been real, I can just imagine him coming out with that. Fuck knows what's going on with the invalid tweet id's though. What was it, I can't see anything?

Has to be Rafa, deserves another bite at the cherry with some ambition and financial backing, he has unfinished business here.

Pretty much how I see it from my post a couple of pages back. Save the righteous indignation to those who battle it every day, it's not like any of us were up in arms about Sheffield Utd, Man City or Chelsea so why should we treat our club any different? As long as the club and region are treated with respect, invested in and taken forward then that's all that really affects us

Personally don't think I'll be supporting us much, but won't blame anyone that will do that. Just hope it doesn't come to Newcastle fans trying to justify things that the regime do, like some Man City fans do This is certainly what’ll happen. Yeap, it'll how people will forget or completely ignore ridiculous human rights violations, carpet bombing in yemen etc just because their football club can sign a player for £100m. But where does the righteous moral outrage stop? When we're carpet bombing the rest of the middle East, the fact that we supplied half the bombs being dropped on Yemen? I'm not saying we should accept what they have done, but if you're going to jump on your soap box then where does it stop? In the large scale of things people don't care about what doesn't happen in their own back gardens, if SA were carpet bombing British territory then people would be up in arms, just like (but to a much lesser extent) Ashley's business practices towards his workers in this country hits home much more for people than if he had a sweat shop in China. I'm not saying this is the right way to think but I can certainly understand it being that way. I'm not sure how I will feel as Ashley has taken a lot away from me over the last 13 years, I'm not sure that love lost is reconcilable. Unashamedly I have said, tweeted, FB posted and ranted on here about Ashley's business practices, but I won't be doing the same about these guys unless they muck it up, we use whatever ammunition we can to take down the people we want to. Does that make me a hypocrite? Aye, probably, do I care? No, because it was a means to an end and I don't really care what some stranger on the internet thinks of me. This club has affected my emotions for a long time and for the last 13 years it's been mostly negative, so selfishly, whatever it takes to improve that, bring it on.

I'd rather someone beat him tbh Stop trying to push to the front of the queue

This is going to turn into a staring contest isn't it? I know they have the money but rich people don't get/stay rich by paying over the odds. Ashley will want to come out looking the winner but how much of a beating does SD have to take before that becomes second to him?

As much as I don't want to get sucked in for the 10,000,000,000th time it seems now is a must for him, he's no longer a billionaire, his company is falling apart all around him, he could take his beloved SD back private with the money he gets from us. It all adds up, given the financial climate, falling profits and bank balances, we're the first thing he'd jettison to save his ass. Sack it #Cans

It says in the Caulkin piece that the price has dropped significantly, can only see SD plummeting value being the driver to that, Ashley will be in full on panic mode if his baby falls to its knees.

So after quoting one piece to try and play down the takeover, the chronic have now used the Athletic piece to print that it's closer than ever, such a joke of a paper man

They knew what he was like, they knew what was coming, all they had to do was cancel the direct debit. A million percent there will be no compensation for games missed either if it's cancelled or played behind closed doors and they'll all be "shocked" again, idiots!

Ashley's been practicing social distancing with the diameter on those jeans for years, he'll be fine unfortunately

He'll be crocked before we kick a ball again

Exactly. PFMism at its worst Quality Emperors New Clothes journalism at its best

I've been racking my brains trying to remember which film Bruce's water fetish reminded me of. Thank you!

got to be getting close to 8 hours without a PL goal now

How's the bacon did you say?

Deserved red, that was horrific

The apathy in this thread is palpable

He's such a man baby it's hilarious, the problem being a lot of our so called fan base are 100% on Bruce's side on this one, it's shameful.