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So many games look winable but we don't show up for 60 minutes, it's not beyond the realms of possibility to get something here but our bunch of cowards don't perform until we go a goal down and the pressure is eased as we're expected to lose from there.

He's made himself look an absolute fool after his comments at the end of last season, the press will have a field day when it happens, his words "the blame stops at my door".

Yeah, it's fairly appalling. Was a nice 8 or 9 days though. It's a sucker punch to several years of supporting absolute dross, a sliver of light at the end of the tunnel that was, in fact, a big fucking relegation train.

They are terrible but they can't lose points and we can't gain them so it seems like there's no way back now.

Fyp

But this is partly Pardew and Carvers fault, McClaren was a continuation of the dross that preceeded him, a further slide into the abyss. They were just as much at fault for creating an ingrained mentality of failure and mediocrity. It all of course stems from the very top and filters down, but when you have facilitators at every position of power at the club it works it's way into the foundations, we're rotten go the core and until and unless that fat shit at the top goes we will coninue this merry-go-round of hopeless anguish.

After the soul destroying weekend I really couldn't give a toss now, the players clearly don't, might as well come to terms with the Championship now. Fuck this shit.

Rafa sucked me back in, I was happy in my little detached world until he turned up, I was at work so keeping an eye on the score on the BBC website, I was pretty cut up when the third went in but now I'm coming back down to earth. I still want us to stay in the league for Rafa but I just can't see it now, today was such a huge game and we blew it, big style.

I am facing reality now, if we'd got a point I'd have still fancied it, but to lose a six pointer at this stage and hand a relegation rival such a confidence booster is game over basically. We are down and ironically probably because of those back to back wins against Liverpool and Spurs before Christmas. That allowed Ashley and Charnley to sit on their hands and hope for the best instead of making a hard headed decision that was required. The writing was on the wall a long time ago with McClaren, the Rafa appointment was far too late. We probably should have got rid of him in November to be fair, it couldn't have been Rafa then but even with someone different we could have been in a much better position now. It was always going to take a miracle to turn this around, a team drained of confidence and fucks to give, too little, too late. It's just heart wrenching that we made the move for a quality manager at a time when he can't do much about the slide and we are left thinking about what could have and should have been.

Keep Wijnaldum :lol: I can't make my mind up about Wijnaldum, he has been a revelation, he's also been a huge amount of toilet. Is this the real Wijnaldum? Is he just short of confidence or has he just given up and stopped giving a shit? Without knowing that it's hard to know what to do with him. But as an international I don't think he'd want to stay anyway.

I'd love to think Rafa would stay with us in the championship but a manager of his caliber could go where he wants. I'd like to think he'd be excited to be given carte blanche to build the club from the foundations up in any way he wished but Fatty Fucknuckle wouldn't relinquish that kind of power to anyone. Any decent owner worth his salt would do what they could for that to happen, knowing full well that in 2-3 years time you'd could have a great club once again. The sooner Ashley gets to fuck, the better.

So short sighted of them to realise the most important part of the team is a strong leader (manager) when there's 10 games left and impossible hill to climb would be comical if it wasn't our club.

If we do manage to keep hold of him I think the championship will be the making of him.

It's such a shit move, we'd all resigned to relegation, shrugged and detached ourselves emotionally only for Rafa to turn up bringing hope and belief again then our players shit on us from a great height. It's just cruel man.

A firm 9 after today, there's an outside slim chance we could get out of this but it would take a massive change in approach by our "players" and I can't see that happening. It's not a 10 until it's mathematically impossible but it's as close as you can get now after that, we needed 4 points against the 2 teams directly above us, we got 1...

Game Over, sell the fucking lot of them!

If he's shit (and he hasn't shown anything in the time he has been on the field to suggest he isn't) then he probably doesn't warrant a chance. Which still begs the question, why was he brought here in the first place then? Also Gouffran, your argument is invalid.

Surely the appeal has to be more substantial than "She knew what she was doing the money grabbing ho." I'd have thought? The way his sister has gone on has been vindictive and whipping up a gang mentality against a 15 year old girl/child. I can't see this ending well for Johnson, however the Big Show may get some extra "special time".

Excellent reporting that, he really did save our arses last year!

This is doing my head in like, i agree to a point about Rooney. But if Vardy was the same age as Kane/Alli him starting wouldnt even be debatable. This impact sub stuff is nuts & seems to be the cliche fast player against tired legs. I also dont get this undertone in football that if you're good at a younger age its more "real" & you have more potential. What matters is whats happening right now. Vardy is a few goals off the likes of Lewandowski & Aubemayang in what was seen as a much weaker side. Yet aye, lets maybe bench the guy. It has to be his age like, must be. He's not been at the top level for as long so its not as "real" or something, maybe give him a chance off the bench. he's come into the premier league late in his career but he's clearly in the form of his life, why leave him on the bench when he's exuding so much confidence right now? What does he have to do to deserve a starting spot ffs?

First game of Euro 2016 will have Rooney and Wilshere starting. I swear if that's his team sheet on the day they need to sack him and send him home on the first flight, get someone in with the wherewithal to play the form players in their prefer position. Surely he can't be that thick? Take Rooney as an option and as a tournament experienced player for sure, but he shouldn't walk back into the team, especially if he's not fully fit by then.

Never-say-die attitude, determination and tenacity, not what you'd usually equate to an England team but that's what won us the game tonight, the old guard would have rolled over at 2-0 down, it's clear that the changes are there to be made and there's no room in this starting 11 for players like Rooney. That was the best England performance I've seen since Euro 96 and yes it was just a friendly but those young stars out there today showed up last generations should have beens for what they were, a bunch of individuals. That was a real team performance played at a high tempo with purpose and aggression. Looking forward to these Euros if Hodgson sticks with that team selection and has the balls to drop the big names of yesterday.

Because what real chances have we had? Its reactive thinking. The formation is based around stopping them still. You have two top class strikers, but you're focusing on stopping them instead. Play to YOUR strengths. Welbeck/Lallana one should have finished in a goal. You've had the ball in good positions but just fucked up the final ball at times too. Tbf your tactics are generally working IMO Just reminds me of watching Newcastle, all fart no shit.

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That would be the intelligent thing to do.....