STM Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 He was a massive success for them as he was in Holland. These two things balance out the shite in the Championship. He's average. Better than Pardew IMO but average. I don't see the need for much debate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 I've just had a vivid flashback of Wullie's Boro supporting housemate. I remember he was calling Aliadiere by the name 'Hardly ever there' and was inordinately pleased with himself for coming up with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Anyway, this is the absolute dream appointment for Ashley. Will like working with Carr, will be grateful that he has been given a job he really shouldn't have and probably won't get us relegated or into Europe. No wonder they went back in after he told them to fuck off twice, the second time in a completely humiliating fashion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Dancer Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Could kind of accept McClaren if he brought in his own staff. However, McClaren with Carver, Woodman and Stone. Eurgh. This is the second worst case scenario, obviously Carver full time was worst. Surely the three musketeers can't be on that much? The money we saved not paying compensation for McClaren should be used to terminate their poxy 8 year deals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EthiGeordie Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Bringing this guy should be his priority.... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3042412/From-Manchester-United-Derby-County-Eric-Steele-reflects-glittering-career-aims-Premier-League-promotion-stays-coy-Newcastle-links.html I like the way he organize the back four. Newcastle, Steele's boyhood club, have recognised the work done by McClaren and would like the 53-year-old as head coach come summer. Steele is too long in the tooth to rule anything out. 'In football, everything is a possibility,' he says. 'I am a Geordie born and bred, and a good friend of mine, Peter Beardsley, still works for the club. All I would say is I am contracted and loyal to Derby County Football Club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 He ended the season badly, not disputing that. It's ignoring the fact he took over a team in mid-table and took them to within 90 minutes of promotion (beaten by a side who had the wage bill of a mid-table Premier League club). They also missed out on the Play-Offs by a point with a tally that would have finished in the Play-Offs every season since 2000 (might be longer, can't be arsed to look any further). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Less ambitious than Derby County now ffs. Clement will get them promoted and they'll dick us the season after that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Making an issue of McClaren turning us down twice before is getting a bit tiresome. On the first occasion, it was half way through the season, his club was chasing promotion, and it's perfectly right and proper that he should opt to try and see the task through. On the second occasion, he was asked to take over for the last three games of the season, for a club that was fighting relegation - not exactly a golden opportunity and probably an unwise step for our club to make regardless. There are two things that give me some optimism. Firstly, he's actually won a league title, a trophy, and reached the final of another competition. That's more than certain managers have achieved. Secondly, there's the quality of football that Derby were playing - keeping it on the deck and passing it creatively through the midfield. Anyone who denies that either didn't see them at all or caught them on a bad day. That style may not have been characteristic of his earlier career, but perhaps he picked a few things up from his spell on the continent. If he was that great why did he get sacked from a championship club?we are getting him because he failed his objective in the championship,it makes no sense! The real question here is why did Derby decline from top of the league to 8th in the second half of the season. My understanding is that the main reason was they lost both their main strikers, the results fell away, and after that it was difficult to regain momentum. They'd only just lost out on promotion last time round, and morale was probably a bit fragile anyway. Whether McClaren was distracted by our interest or not, I can't say. The above strikes me as explanation enough. At the end of the season, a parting of the ways was probably right all round. It would have been difficult for McClaren and his players to get motivated and confident for a third attempt, and a fresh approach would make sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EthiGeordie Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Less ambitious than Derby County now ffs. Clement will get them promoted and they'll dick us the season after that. What makes Clement better than McC? lol some people really make me laugh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shush Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 He ended the season badly, not disputing that. It's ignoring the fact he took over a team in mid-table and took them to within 90 minutes of promotion (beaten by a side who had the wage bill of a mid-table Premier League club). They also missed out on the Play-Offs by a point with a tally that would have finished in the Play-Offs every season since 2000 (might be longer, can't be arsed to look any further). Then why would Derby County sack such a great man? If he isn't good enough for them, why on earth would that make him the man for us? Honestly, appointing so many shit managers since Keegan '08 has dumbed down expectations to the point of making a McClaren appointment looking an alright one for some I fear. He will be bang average at best, which is what we have all got sick of I thought. Aiming for 10th each season for another 4 years will make me give up football it will be so dull. I just want to dare to dream about something bigger... Why can't we aim for a manager who represents that aspiration. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Derby were really unlucky with injuries after January. They lost Chris Martin and it completely screwed them over iirc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 So, when do we reckon this shit will get announced then? I'm going for Wednesday, and my bingo card includes "European experience", "being delighted with getting their top target" and "Will work well under this model". Bonus points if they try and spin him rejecting us twice to meaning that he's not a "yes man", but that one isn't quite as likely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 So, when do we reckon this s*** will get announced then? I'm going for Wednesday, and my bingo card includes "European experience", "being delighted with getting their top target" and "Will work well under this model". Bonus points if they try and spin him rejecting us twice to meaning that he's not a "yes man", but that one isn't quite as likely. Wouldn't be surprised if the press conference consists of McClaren just being shoved in front of waiting reporters with no Charnley in sight, tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EthiGeordie Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/derby-county/11392450/Steve-McClarens-long-road-back-to-relevance-is-indictment-of-Premier-Leagues-popularity-contest.html McClaren was close to getting the Aston Villa job in 2011 – but a meeting was cancelled by the owner Randy Lerner for fear of the fans’ reaction and because his right-hand man had read the websites, blogs and forums. Really? So – after Roberto Martinez made it clear he would not leave Wigan Athletic at that stage - Lerner appointed Alex McLeish instead…who had just been relegated with Birmingham City. Go figure that one out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deckard 13 Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Uninspiring but considering our last appointments he is depressingly the best manager we've hired in about a decade, excluding Keegan, if true. I don't get the hate wagon mind. If he is endorsed by Carr hopefully it will mean at least two of our main team see eye to eye on the direction of the club rather than seeing good player left out of the side out of spite, ignorance or stupidity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Derby were really unlucky with injuries after January. They lost Chris Martin and it completely screwed them over iirc. Screwed them over so much he brought in Bent(10 in 15) and Ince(11 in 17) during the final 6 months. Not sure it was scoring they had a problem with, hes lucky he has come to a club with a solid defence Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 There are two things that give me some optimism. Firstly, he's actually won a league title, a trophy, and reached the final of another competition. That's more than certain managers have achieved. That applies to Alex McLeish too mind, not sure its a good thing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Derby were really unlucky with injuries after January. They lost Chris Martin and it completely screwed them over iirc. Screwed them over so much he brought in Bent(10 in 15) and Ince(11 in 17) during the final 6 months. Not sure it was scoring they had a problem with, hes lucky he has come to a club with a solid defence Luckily we have no history of injuries and a deep squad so he'll be able to ride it out no bother. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Derby were really unlucky with injuries after January. They lost Chris Martin and it completely screwed them over iirc. Screwed them over so much he brought in Bent(10 in 15) and Ince(11 in 17) during the final 6 months. Not sure it was scoring they had a problem with, hes lucky he has come to a club with a solid defence Luckily we have no history of injuries and a deep squad so he'll be able to ride it out no bother. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 So, when do we reckon this s*** will get announced then? I'm going for Wednesday, and my bingo card includes "European experience", "being delighted with getting their top target" and "Will work well under this model". Bonus points if they try and spin him rejecting us twice to meaning that he's not a "yes man", but that one isn't quite as likely. Without doubt they'll mention his cup record too to emphasise how we are now going to target them! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Well, this would be an inspirational move. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUICE690 Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Why can the cunts come out and deny this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newintoon Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Making an issue of McClaren turning us down twice before is getting a bit tiresome. On the first occasion, it was half way through the season, his club was chasing promotion, and it's perfectly right and proper that he should opt to try and see the task through. On the second occasion, he was asked to take over for the last three games of the season, for a club that was fighting relegation - not exactly a golden opportunity and probably an unwise step for our club to make regardless. There are two things that give me some optimism. Firstly, he's actually won a league title, a trophy, and reached the final of another competition. That's more than certain managers have achieved. Secondly, there's the quality of football that Derby were playing - keeping it on the deck and passing it creatively through the midfield. Anyone who denies that either didn't see them at all or caught them on a bad day. That style may not have been characteristic of his earlier career, but perhaps he picked a few things up from his spell on the continent. If he was that great why did he get sacked from a championship club?we are getting him because he failed his objective in the championship,it makes no sense! I don't agree with this at all, I don't think he was sacked because he didn't gain promotion. I think it was more the constant links to us. Seriously baffled as to why at least one person on here said that Derby had the strongest squad in the Championship. They didn't. If we strengthen where we need to then, personally, I think McClaren will surprise a few people. Not just supporters of our club but fans of others too. So why are we not after Eddie Howe I would argue Derby had a better squad then Bournemouth , they got promoted Derby did not make the play offs! I'll tell u why because mcclarens a yes man that knows carver, Carr and will put up with Ashley's shit while he continues to milk the club for all its worth Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Uninspiring but considering our last appointments he is depressingly the best manager we've hired in about a decade, excluding Keegan, if true. I don't get the hate wagon mind. If he is endorsed by Carr hopefully it will mean at least two of our main team see eye to eye on the direction of the club rather than seeing good player left out of the side out of spite, ignorance or stupidity. Yeah, kind of my views on it. All very 'meh' but it means I may actually get to set foot inside SJP again. Not that anything will change under Ashley. But I'm hoping the football isn't quite as horrific as it was under Pardew and Carver. Plus, as of yet, I don't massively despise the man, I just feel indifferent about McLaren. I don't genuinely hate him like I did the last two wankers. The bit about Carr is spot on as well. For quite some time, quite a large majority on here would question Pardew's usage of the players given to him by Carr. Hopefully, this won't be the case now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Does he know Carver and Carr? Where from? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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