Guest GallowgateKev Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 McClaren is a cunt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
healthyaddiction Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 He was unlucky England? The only manager to fail to qualify for a major championship in 20 years? Was he also unlucky at Wolfsburg or Forest? Even his second spell at Twente and the final part of Derby? He's had two successes in his career. Middlesbrough, where they were pretty big spenders, and Twente. By saying he's World Class you're putting him the category of Mourinho & Ancelotti. Which means your fishing or utterly mental. I won't class Derby as a failure . He has left them in a better position he found them although he should have at least made the playoffs. Even the highly regarded managers in England have had blips in their career Pochettino in his last season at Espanyol, Koeman at Valencia who was sacked despite winning a trophy in the same season, Martinez relegating Wigan etc.. .As a manager who has never relegated a team I'd say it's more of a risk for him managing us then us appointing him, given our league performances in the past 3 seasons and the resources he will work with . Derby were 10th the season before he took over and were 8th when he was sacked. Not exactly left them massively up the table after two years. I'd say his time at Derby wasn't a failure but it wasn't really a success either. Manager's do have blips but McClaren has more failure than success. He's not a tragedy of a manager, but his record does not qualify him to manage a club like Newcastle. The fact that it's been a decade since a Premier League club has given him a job surely emphasises this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 Call me a typical deluded English fanboy, but if as a coach you can't get a team through the qualifying phases to a European Championships with every English player at your disposal, then you should just give up and re-train as a caretaker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 Do you think his appointment will delay any moves into the transfer market? Usually a manager likes to look at who he has first? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 We've been so damaged by Pardew that we will be surprised by how much we will enjoy this guy's stewardship as soon as he does get started. Carr will convince him to give our signings a run in their correct positions, and it will all come together beautifully. It's going to be a big romance. Get ready. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 Do you think his appointment will delay any moves into the transfer market? Our being Newcastle United will be delay enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 I've got a feeling he'll do well. Ultimately it will depend on what we do in the market though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espio Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 This cunt sacked yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 This cunt hired yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 We better start signing quite a few fucking good players if this season is going be fun at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DebuchyAndTheBeast Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 He was unlucky England? The only manager to fail to qualify for a major championship in 20 years? Was he also unlucky at Wolfsburg or Forest? Even his second spell at Twente and the final part of Derby? He's had two successes in his career. Middlesbrough, where they were pretty big spenders, and Twente. By saying he's World Class you're putting him the category of Mourinho & Ancelotti. Which means your fishing or utterly mental. I won't class Derby as a failure . He has left them in a better position he found them although he should have at least made the playoffs. Even the highly regarded managers in England have had blips in their career Pochettino in his last season at Espanyol, Koeman at Valencia who was sacked despite winning a trophy in the same season, Martinez relegating Wigan etc.. .As a manager who has never relegated a team I'd say it's more of a risk for him managing us then us appointing him, given our league performances in the past 3 seasons and the resources he will work with . Derby were 10th the season before he took over and were 8th when he was sacked. Not exactly left them massively up the table after two years. I'd say his time at Derby wasn't a failure but it wasn't really a success either. Manager's do have blips but McClaren has more failure than success. He's not a tragedy of a manager, but his record does not qualify him to manage a club like Newcastle. The fact that it's been a decade since a Premier League club has given him a job surely emphasises this. It does sound bad the way you're stating it but when you look in detail they finished 1 point less than the 5th and 14 points better than the 10th team. That gives a better idea of their progress than only their league position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
healthyaddiction Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 Not particularly given it's league position that actually matters. But I get your point and as I say I don't see it as a failure, just not success either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ads Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 Call me a typical deluded English fanboy, but if as a coach you can't get a team through the qualifying phases to a European Championships with every English player at your disposal, then you should just give up and re-train as a caretaker. But instead he took a Dutch team whose previous 10 league campaigns had finished with them anywhere between 4th and 12th and led them to a runners up spot and then the following season to the title. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GallowgateKev Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 We could get Mourinho in and it wouldn't matter, the squad is fucking dog shit and we're spending fuck all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 Call me a typical deluded English fanboy, but if as a coach you can't get a team through the qualifying phases to a European Championships with every English player at your disposal, then you should just give up and re-train as a caretaker. But instead he took a Dutch team whose previous 10 league campaigns had finished with them anywhere between 4th and 12th and led them to a runners up spot and then the following season to the title. I wouldn't use the England job as a yardstick anyway, just about every English manager has been hounded out after an embarrassing failure somewhere along the line including SBR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ads Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 He was unlucky England? The only manager to fail to qualify for a major championship in 20 years? Was he also unlucky at Wolfsburg or Forest? Even his second spell at Twente and the final part of Derby? He's had two successes in his career. Middlesbrough, where they were pretty big spenders, and Twente. By saying he's World Class you're putting him the category of Mourinho & Ancelotti. Which means your fishing or utterly mental. I won't class Derby as a failure . He has left them in a better position he found them although he should have at least made the playoffs. Even the highly regarded managers in England have had blips in their career Pochettino in his last season at Espanyol, Koeman at Valencia who was sacked despite winning a trophy in the same season, Martinez relegating Wigan etc.. .As a manager who has never relegated a team I'd say it's more of a risk for him managing us then us appointing him, given our league performances in the past 3 seasons and the resources he will work with . Derby were 10th the season before he took over and were 8th when he was sacked. Not exactly left them massively up the table after two years. I'd say his time at Derby wasn't a failure but it wasn't really a success either. Manager's do have blips but McClaren has more failure than success. He's not a tragedy of a manager, but his record does not qualify him to manage a club like Newcastle. The fact that it's been a decade since a Premier League club has given him a job surely emphasises this. It does sound bad the way you're stating it but when you look in detail they finished 1 point less than the 5th and 14 points better than the 10th team. That gives a better idea of their progress than only their league position. Not to mention their style of play...DCFC forums have all been saying he's had them playing the best stuff they'd seen for years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 We could get Mourinho in and it wouldn't matter, the squad is f***ing dog s*** and we're spending f*** all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
healthyaddiction Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 Call me a typical deluded English fanboy, but if as a coach you can't get a team through the qualifying phases to a European Championships with every English player at your disposal, then you should just give up and re-train as a caretaker. But instead he took a Dutch team whose previous 10 league campaigns had finished with them anywhere between 4th and 12th and led them to a runners up spot and then the following season to the title. Didn't AZ Alkmaar win the league the season before? It was a bit of a weird time in the dutch league in general it would seem. Still certainly a success though. Not sure what was happening with the normal dutch big teams though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gorgeousgeorge Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 i think he'll be decent for us - it could be a whole lot worse!!! He's highly thought of in the football world, don't get the England job or become Alex Ferguson's assistant if you're not a half decent coach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-421 Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 i think he'll be decent for us - it could be a whole lot worse!!! He's highly thought of in the football world, don't get the England job or become Alex Ferguson's assistant if you're not a half decent coach. As has been mentioned before, the key is whether he is allowed to bring his own assistant/coaches in. If he can/does, then I'll feel slightly more optimistic. However, if he retains Carver, Stone, etc, then I can't see much changing on the pitch. After all, its these clowns who have been 'coaching' the players for the last 4 or 5 years! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikenewcastle Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 Not particularly given it's league position that actually matters. But I get your point and as I say I don't see it as a failure, just not success either. I would agree with this, but to be fair to SM, Derby were nowhere near being play off contenders when he took the job. They obviously ended this season very badly, but I think people who call him a 'failure' at Derby are harsh/biased. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 Flicked on Premier League Years 05/06 and within 30 seconds McClaren had a season ticket thrown at him, 5 minutes later his Boro side are beating Mourinho's Chelsea 3-0. That's still the most goals that one of his Chelsea sides have lost by, guess we'll have some decent performances but all of his sides seem to have had an ability to get absolutely dicked on. Sounds familiar... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 I can't wait to hear his version of the Geordie lingo. I can't wait for him to say "I resign" and he can say it in any lingo he likes. This Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 i think he'll be decent for us - it could be a whole lot worse!!! He's highly thought of in the football world, don't get the England job or become Alex Ferguson's assistant if you're not a half decent coach. Brian Kidd, Avram Grant, John Carver, Stuart Pearce just off the top of my head have worked with Sir Alex Ferguson, Jose Mourihno, Sir Bobby Robson and Fabio Capello . It's pointless logic really, all of them to a man are terrible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
healthyaddiction Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 He was unlucky England? The only manager to fail to qualify for a major championship in 20 years? Was he also unlucky at Wolfsburg or Forest? Even his second spell at Twente and the final part of Derby? He's had two successes in his career. Middlesbrough, where they were pretty big spenders, and Twente. By saying he's World Class you're putting him the category of Mourinho & Ancelotti. Which means your fishing or utterly mental. I won't class Derby as a failure . He has left them in a better position he found them although he should have at least made the playoffs. Even the highly regarded managers in England have had blips in their career Pochettino in his last season at Espanyol, Koeman at Valencia who was sacked despite winning a trophy in the same season, Martinez relegating Wigan etc.. .As a manager who has never relegated a team I'd say it's more of a risk for him managing us then us appointing him, given our league performances in the past 3 seasons and the resources he will work with . Derby were 10th the season before he took over and were 8th when he was sacked. Not exactly left them massively up the table after two years. I'd say his time at Derby wasn't a failure but it wasn't really a success either. Manager's do have blips but McClaren has more failure than success. He's not a tragedy of a manager, but his record does not qualify him to manage a club like Newcastle. The fact that it's been a decade since a Premier League club has given him a job surely emphasises this. It does sound bad the way you're stating it but when you look in detail they finished 1 point less than the 5th and 14 points better than the 10th team. That gives a better idea of their progress than only their league position. Not to mention their style of play...DCFC forums have all been saying he's had them playing the best stuff they'd seen for years. Derby County was the only time in his career he has played anything other than defensive football though. Twente were a success but all three seasons he spent there (the two good and one bad) he had the 2nd best defense in the league but a relatively poor attack. Middlesbrough he was obviously well known for poor quality football. I seem to remember the football being crap under him for England. Didn't see Wolfsburg or Forest under him but those were train wrecks regardless of style. Maybe he has recently changed his style or maybe it is something of a one off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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