Steve McClaren

[Deuce]

Since Twente his record is pretty poor. Such an underwhelming appointment, he's already shown he's going to be another doormat by taking on Carver, Stone et al. Worrying the same philosophies and idea or more appropriately lack there of will be allowed to remain at the club. Imagine getting a scouting report from John Carver on someone like Remy Cabella.

 

What? Do you honestly believe what you're typing?

 

Struggling to understand what you're seeing in his post-Twente career.

[joeyt]

Does he still do that thing where he's in the stands for the first half?

[Wullie]

Since Twente his record is pretty poor. Such an underwhelming appointment, he's already shown he's going to be another doormat by taking on Carver, Stone et al. Worrying the same philosophies and idea or more appropriately lack there of will be allowed to remain at the club. Imagine getting a scouting report from John Carver on someone like Remy Cabella.

 

What? Do you honestly believe what you're typing?

 

Wolfsburg, Twente again, Forest and Derby?

 

I count three complete disasters in four, no?

He didn't do great at both Wolfsburg and the short period at Forest, but his win percentage at both his second stint at Twente and Derby are pretty decent like.

 

"Pretty poor" was the term used and I don't see anything there that says otherwise. Derby is the obvious exception where he did well until the collapse but the collapse is ultimately what counts if you don't even manage the play offs.

 

I'm not a big fan of win percentages. It's meaningless without wider context. His Twente performance was enough for him to resign because he felt it necessary (and fair play to him for that).

 

[mozy]

Since Twente his record is pretty poor. Such an underwhelming appointment, he's already shown he's going to be another doormat by taking on Carver, Stone et al. Worrying the same philosophies and idea or more appropriately lack there of will be allowed to remain at the club. Imagine getting a scouting report from John Carver on someone like Remy Cabella.

 

What? Do you honestly believe what you're typing?

 

Struggling to understand what you're seeing in his post-Twente career.

 

Definitely read your post as 'Since his Twente record is pretty poor' - Thought it was another post undermining the acheivement of winning the dutch league.

 

But anyway, he failed in short stints at Wolfsburg and Forest, the others he has done well. Derby have a good squad (shocking defence mind), but Norwich had the best by a mile.

[oldtype]

At the very least, he does seem to be pretty good at resigning once he realizes things aren't going to work out.

 

So if you hate this appointment, I suspect you can at least look forward to another managerial "search" sometime in January. (Which will no doubt preclude any January signings as well.)

[Unbelievable]

Worth noting that McClaren did get paid 2.5m euros for "resigning" from Twente (2nd stint)...

[afar]

Normally, I would give anyone coming in the benefit of the doubt, but I remembering telling my wife that Carver wouldn't be that bad, so clearly my judgement is impaired. I don't have anything against McClaren, just utterly disappointed at the lack of ambition.

 

Personally I'm no giving him any benefit of the doubt. Which is kind of against my general outlook on life, where I trust until someone does something that loses that trust. For this guy, I'm definitely in the camp I was in with Carver, where I knew it was going to be crap. There is a slight difference here, though as I am sure he will have a spell where people are sucked into thinking, like they were with Pardew, "well he's actually pretty good, I was wrong". There was no chance whatsover of that happening under Carver. 

 

Anyway another ill advised appointment in a key position, it's what we do, and we seem to continue to do it despite being burned by the experience over and over again.

[Lenny]

His collapse at Derby coincided with our interest in him, which suggests he lost focus.

 

I personally think that had Derby finished in the same position, but there was no outside interference from us, they would have stood by him. I think they let him go because they don't think he's fully committed and his head was turned by the interest we showed (regardless of whether he ultimately turned us down or not).

[Lenny]

Normally, I would give anyone coming in the benefit of the doubt, but I remembering telling my wife that Carver wouldn't be that bad, so clearly my judgement is impaired. I don't have anything against McClaren, just utterly disappointed at the lack of ambition.

 

Personally I'm no giving him any benefit of the doubt. Which is kind of against my general outlook on life, where I trust until someone does something that loses that trust. For this guy, I'm definitely in the camp I was in with Carver, where I knew it was going to be crap. There is a slight difference here, though as I am sure he will have a spell where people are sucked into thinking, like they were with Pardew, "well he's actually pretty good, I was wrong". There was no chance whatsover of that happening under Carver. 

 

Anyway another ill advised appointment in a key position, it's what we do, and we seem to continue to do it despite being burned by the experience over and over again.

 

I really think this is a miles better appointment that Pardew. Pardew had been out of the game for a fair while (for a reason, he was shite) and if we start to think "he's actually pretty good" about McClaren, it's not that we've been sucked in, it's because he's actually half decent.

[Memphis]

All these things are true:

 

1. Steve McClaren is a decent coach.

2. Steve McClaren is an uninspiring choice.

3. Newcastle United should be targeting higher-quality candidates than Steve McClaren.

4. Any coach who would accept the terms being offered by the club at this point is by definition an underwhelming choice.

[Wullie]

Normally, I would give anyone coming in the benefit of the doubt, but I remembering telling my wife that Carver wouldn't be that bad, so clearly my judgement is impaired. I don't have anything against McClaren, just utterly disappointed at the lack of ambition.

 

Personally I'm no giving him any benefit of the doubt. Which is kind of against my general outlook on life, where I trust until someone does something that loses that trust. For this guy, I'm definitely in the camp I was in with Carver, where I knew it was going to be crap. There is a slight difference here, though as I am sure he will have a spell where people are sucked into thinking, like they were with Pardew, "well he's actually pretty good, I was wrong". There was no chance whatsover of that happening under Carver. 

 

Anyway another ill advised appointment in a key position, it's what we do, and we seem to continue to do it despite being burned by the experience over and over again.

 

I really think this is a miles better appointment that Pardew. Pardew had been out of the game for a fair while (for a reason, he was shite) and if we start to think "he's actually pretty good" about McClaren, it's not that we've been sucked in, it's because he's actually half decent.

 

Only about 2-3 months iirc. It just felt like that because he was dossing around in League One like he should be.

[Lenny]

Normally, I would give anyone coming in the benefit of the doubt, but I remembering telling my wife that Carver wouldn't be that bad, so clearly my judgement is impaired. I don't have anything against McClaren, just utterly disappointed at the lack of ambition.

 

Personally I'm no giving him any benefit of the doubt. Which is kind of against my general outlook on life, where I trust until someone does something that loses that trust. For this guy, I'm definitely in the camp I was in with Carver, where I knew it was going to be crap. There is a slight difference here, though as I am sure he will have a spell where people are sucked into thinking, like they were with Pardew, "well he's actually pretty good, I was wrong". There was no chance whatsover of that happening under Carver. 

 

Anyway another ill advised appointment in a key position, it's what we do, and we seem to continue to do it despite being burned by the experience over and over again.

 

I really think this is a miles better appointment that Pardew. Pardew had been out of the game for a fair while (for a reason, he was shite) and if we start to think "he's actually pretty good" about McClaren, it's not that we've been sucked in, it's because he's actually half decent.

 

Only about 2-3 months iirc. It just felt like that because he was dossing around in League One like he should be.

 

Was that all it was? For some reason I thought it was a couple of years. God knows where I got that from.

[B-more Mag]

All these things are true:

 

1. Steve McClaren is a decent coach.

2. Steve McClaren is an uninspiring choice.

3. Newcastle United should be targeting higher-quality candidates than Steve McClaren.

4. Any coach who would accept the terms being offered by the club at this point is by definition an underwhelming choice.

5. Mike Ashley is a vile cunt.

[Wullie]

Normally, I would give anyone coming in the benefit of the doubt, but I remembering telling my wife that Carver wouldn't be that bad, so clearly my judgement is impaired. I don't have anything against McClaren, just utterly disappointed at the lack of ambition.

 

Personally I'm no giving him any benefit of the doubt. Which is kind of against my general outlook on life, where I trust until someone does something that loses that trust. For this guy, I'm definitely in the camp I was in with Carver, where I knew it was going to be crap. There is a slight difference here, though as I am sure he will have a spell where people are sucked into thinking, like they were with Pardew, "well he's actually pretty good, I was wrong". There was no chance whatsover of that happening under Carver. 

 

Anyway another ill advised appointment in a key position, it's what we do, and we seem to continue to do it despite being burned by the experience over and over again.

 

I really think this is a miles better appointment that Pardew. Pardew had been out of the game for a fair while (for a reason, he was shite) and if we start to think "he's actually pretty good" about McClaren, it's not that we've been sucked in, it's because he's actually half decent.

 

Only about 2-3 months iirc. It just felt like that because he was dossing around in League One like he should be.

 

Was that all it was? For some reason I thought it was a couple of years. God knows where I got that from.

 

Aye, sacked by Saints at the end of August, took our job beginning of December.

[The Prophet]

I definitely think I'd have more respect for him if he demanded to have his own back room staff.

[afar]

Normally, I would give anyone coming in the benefit of the doubt, but I remembering telling my wife that Carver wouldn't be that bad, so clearly my judgement is impaired. I don't have anything against McClaren, just utterly disappointed at the lack of ambition.

 

Personally I'm no giving him any benefit of the doubt. Which is kind of against my general outlook on life, where I trust until someone does something that loses that trust. For this guy, I'm definitely in the camp I was in with Carver, where I knew it was going to be crap. There is a slight difference here, though as I am sure he will have a spell where people are sucked into thinking, like they were with Pardew, "well he's actually pretty good, I was wrong". There was no chance whatsover of that happening under Carver. 

 

Anyway another ill advised appointment in a key position, it's what we do, and we seem to continue to do it despite being burned by the experience over and over again.

 

I really think this is a miles better appointment that Pardew. Pardew had been out of the game for a fair while (for a reason, he was s****) and if we start to think "he's actually pretty good" about McClaren, it's not that we've been sucked in, it's because he's actually half decent.

 

Is he really that much better than Pardew ? Pardew got West Ham to a cup final (that people took more seriously than the league cup that McLaren won) and was only an injury time goal away from actually winning it. What is McLaren best final league position in this country as opposed to Pardew's ? Outside of that one season with Twente and of course the league cup win backed up with the UEFA cup final, the highlight of his career has been nearly getting Derby promoted. Something that Mick Mc, Steve Bruce, Paul Jewel, Chris Hughton and a bunch of other world beating managers succeed at.

 

His last success of any kind is 5 years ago, but his last success in this country is some 10 years ago, he is a washed up has been or even never was that's made a career from being Alex Ferguson's assistant during their spell of dominance.

 

He should never have been considered for this role, his appointment is not acceptable, but I can sense the general feeling here is moving towards, "he's the best we could have hoped for, and at least it's not Carver". Sad really.

[Astroblack]

I think people are trying to make the best of it, mate. What do you suppose they should do?

[Lenny]

Normally, I would give anyone coming in the benefit of the doubt, but I remembering telling my wife that Carver wouldn't be that bad, so clearly my judgement is impaired. I don't have anything against McClaren, just utterly disappointed at the lack of ambition.

 

Personally I'm no giving him any benefit of the doubt. Which is kind of against my general outlook on life, where I trust until someone does something that loses that trust. For this guy, I'm definitely in the camp I was in with Carver, where I knew it was going to be crap. There is a slight difference here, though as I am sure he will have a spell where people are sucked into thinking, like they were with Pardew, "well he's actually pretty good, I was wrong". There was no chance whatsover of that happening under Carver. 

 

Anyway another ill advised appointment in a key position, it's what we do, and we seem to continue to do it despite being burned by the experience over and over again.

 

I really think this is a miles better appointment that Pardew. Pardew had been out of the game for a fair while (for a reason, he was shite) and if we start to think "he's actually pretty good" about McClaren, it's not that we've been sucked in, it's because he's actually half decent.

 

Only about 2-3 months iirc. It just felt like that because he was dossing around in League One like he should be.

 

Was that all it was? For some reason I thought it was a couple of years. God knows where I got that from.

 

Aye, sacked by Saints at the end of August, took our job beginning of December.

 

must have been because he was in League One, as you say.

[54]

I think people are trying to make the best of it, mate. What do you suppose they should do?

Pretty much this. He's not by any means the greatest manager, and it's not the most inspiring appointment, but I just want to look forward to Newcastle games again, he supposidly plays decentish football, has a better record then any manager we've appointed in the last 7 years, so if it does have to be McClaren, I can get behind him, even if it is for a few months.

[oldtype]

I think people are trying to make the best of it, mate. What do you suppose they should do?

Pretty much this. He's not by any means the greatest manager, and it's not the most inspiring appointment, but I just want to look forward to Newcastle games again, he supposidly plays decentish football, has a better record then any manager we've appointed in the last 7 years, so if it does have to be McClaren, I can get behind him, even if it is for a few months.

 

I just think we're far too deep in the shit to be angry about anything as pedestrian as an unexciting managerial appointment. It's like complaining that your wifi signal is weak when the house is on fire.

[Lenny]

Normally, I would give anyone coming in the benefit of the doubt, but I remembering telling my wife that Carver wouldn't be that bad, so clearly my judgement is impaired. I don't have anything against McClaren, just utterly disappointed at the lack of ambition.

 

Personally I'm no giving him any benefit of the doubt. Which is kind of against my general outlook on life, where I trust until someone does something that loses that trust. For this guy, I'm definitely in the camp I was in with Carver, where I knew it was going to be crap. There is a slight difference here, though as I am sure he will have a spell where people are sucked into thinking, like they were with Pardew, "well he's actually pretty good, I was wrong". There was no chance whatsover of that happening under Carver. 

 

Anyway another ill advised appointment in a key position, it's what we do, and we seem to continue to do it despite being burned by the experience over and over again.

 

I really think this is a miles better appointment that Pardew. Pardew had been out of the game for a fair while (for a reason, he was s****) and if we start to think "he's actually pretty good" about McClaren, it's not that we've been sucked in, it's because he's actually half decent.

 

Is he really that much better than Pardew ? Pardew got West Ham to a cup final (that people took more seriously than the league cup that McLaren won) and was only an injury time goal away from actually winning it. What is McLaren best final league position in this country as opposed to Pardew's ? Outside of that one season with Twente and of course the league cup win backed up with the UEFA cup final, the highlight of his career has been nearly getting Derby promoted. Something that Mick Mc, Steve Bruce, Paul Jewel, Chris Hughton and a bunch of other world beating managers succeed at.

 

His last success of any kind is 5 years ago, but his last success in this country is some 10 years ago, he is a washed up has been or even never was that's made a career from being Alex Ferguson's assistant during their spell of dominance.

 

He should never have been considered for this role, his appointment is not acceptable, but I can sense the general feeling here is moving towards, "he's the best we could have hoped for, and at least it's not Carver". Sad really.

 

You realise you've just excluded every one of his achievements to come to the conclusion that he's no better than Pardew, right? Outside of his success at Twente/outside of winning the league cup/outside of getting into the UEFA cup final... You've excluded 3 achievements greater than the achievement you've listed as McClaren's greatest achievement.

 

I don't think he's a spectacular appointment by any stretch, but I also don't think he's just a case of "well, he's better than Carver". Given where we are at this time, he's a step in the right direction. He's a manager that's had some success, and has been seen to play a style of football that the fans might actually like. It's not ideal as we all know we should be aiming much higher in ideal circumstances (i.e. Ashley has fucked off), but it's a step in the right direction (in my opinion, of course).

 

Also, has it been confirmed he's having to keep the existing staff? I think I missed that.

[Skeletor]

I think people are trying to make the best of it, mate. What do you suppose they should do?

 

Stop making the best of it and view it for what it actually is?

[afar]

I think people are trying to make the best of it, mate. What do you suppose they should do?

 

Stop accepting it, it's this kind of attitude we see at SJP, when first the Pardew.out guys now the Ashley.out guys try to organise some form of protest, most everyone just sits on their hands.

 

 

 

[Wullie]

"Give him a chance" is exactly what they want you to do. Many will and the cycle starts all over again.

[Astroblack]

And then what? Be angry?