Ronaldo Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Anyone else want to repeat what I just said? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Done so much for Chelsea? Please. He's had truckloads of great players in their prime to play with and still he manages to make them unwatchable. He transformed them from Ranieri to Champions man, he has had a boat load of money to spend, but he has won them titles and cups. Remember Chelsea before Abramovic were basically similar to WHU, in terms of size and history. Fuck is this nonsense? They won plenty of cups pre-Abramovich. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Fuck off man, Mourinho come in in his first season and won the league and with it transformed Chelsea from a cup team to winners, winners of the league, a club capable of dominating. Of course it wouldn't have happened without Abramovic, but Mourinho kick-started it all, he is a huge huge figure in their history and he transformed Chelsea. Ranieri finished 2nd, but would never of won the title under him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 FWIW the best football Chelsea have played by far came under Ancelotti, who also won them the double in his first season - which Mourinho hasn't managed in 6 attempts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Done so much for Chelsea? Please. He's had truckloads of great players in their prime to play with and still he manages to make them unwatchable. He transformed them from Ranieri to Champions man, he has had a boat load of money to spend, but he has won them titles and cups. Remember Chelsea before Abramovic were basically similar to WHU, in terms of size and history. f*** is this nonsense? They won plenty of cups pre-Abramovich. But they were still considered nothing special. It wasn't until Abramovic and with it Mourinho did they go from a WHU type London club, inferior to Spurs, Arsenal, to becoming one of the biggest clubs in the world. It all started with Mourinho in terms of managers, he was to them what KK was to us, he kick started the whole thing. To say he inhetited a winning team and great players is false, he made that team into winners and those players world beaters. Drogba was a late bloomer in Ligue 1 FFS, Robben from Dutch football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 FWIW the best football Chelsea have played by far came under Ancelotti, who also won them the double in his first season - which Mourinho hasn't managed in 6 attempts. I agree, but we are talking about Mourinho and what he is to Chelsea. He deserves the benefit of the doubt and doesn't deserve the sack given what he has achieved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 FWIW the best football Chelsea have played by far came under Ancelotti, who also won them the double in his first season - which Mourinho hasn't managed in 6 attempts. Btw, Duff and Robben wide and Drogba up top with Lampard, Cole and Makalele were frighteningly good for Chelsea, they weren't like us under KK or Arsenal under Wenger, but they played some super stuff at times and were very very good at attacking and scoring and creating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Anyone else want to repeat what I just said? Anyone else want to repeat what I just said? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Anyone else want to repeat what I just said? Anyone else want to repeat what I just said? Anyone else want to repeat what I just said? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 I'm Spartacus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Abramovic is quite clearly the best thing that happened to Chelsea, not Mourinho. Ancelotti, Hiddink, Benitez, Di Matteo all won trophies. Avram Grant got them to a CL final FFS. It's basically a free shot at all the major trophies for any manager who gets the job, followed by a nice cushy pay off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 He did ? Who ? Terry and possibly... most of the squad http://www.theguardian.com/football/2007/sep/23/newsstory.chelsea "I thought Mourinho was practically untouchable, but a lot of players had complained about him, notably John Terry," Makelele wrote. "So why take such a risk? Because he'd had enough and was looking for a way out? http://www.theguardian.com/football/2009/may/30/john-terry-rejects-makelele-mourinho-chelsea http://www.theguardian.com/football/2009/may/30/chelsea-john-terry-jose-mourinho Terry got his lawyer's involved with these "allegations" but I don't doubt they're true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 I used to think - Mourinho is probably one of the best league managers ever. His cup exploits are good but not amazing. He's had clubs that might've been able to dominate a CL campaign but has never managed it. The CL's he's won (all credit given) they've had to defend with their lives in at least 1 tie and had to make their own luck. But he's looking at 2 league titles in 6 years. And he builds boring teams. His best side was RM and Ancelotti came in and immediately made it far more entertaining. Not making a CL final with them or Chelsea (so far) is another blight on his career. I don't like him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 FWIW the best football Chelsea have played by far came under Ancelotti, who also won them the double in his first season - which Mourinho hasn't managed in 6 attempts. Absolute rubbish. The best football they played was easily when Robben was at his best and then after that it was under Hiddink. You and Ancelotti man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 When was Robben at his best? Each good season under Mourinho they where largely boring. Robben was fantastic aye but brilliant football?Get out/ Just the 106 goals was it under Ancelotti? Scored 4 or more how many times? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 I was talking to Ronaldo, thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 I was talking to Ronaldo, thanks. http://media.giphy.com/media/3oEdv3tWb91dxiEg9i/giphy.gif (Haven't seen this guy in a while) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 He'll be gone soon and they'll throw money at Pep, because they can and Abramovich is horribly unimaginative. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 If Mourinho had his way Robben would be a pretty average left back now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 FWIW the best football Chelsea have played by far came under Ancelotti, who also won them the double in his first season - which Mourinho hasn't managed in 6 attempts. Absolute rubbish. The best football they played was easily when Robben was at his best and then after that it was under Hiddink. You and Ancelotti man. Nah, Ronaldo is spot on. Ancelotti's Chelsea absolutely obliterated the league, scoring 103 goals and battering teams left right and centre. Compare that to Mourinho's first two seasons where they scored 72 and 73. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Thing is Mourinho's teams probably could have run wild but he's absolutely obsessed with declaring at 2-0 or as early as possible and killing the game by being snide. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 The idea that Chelsea wouldn't have won as much as they have without Mourinho. I don't even rate him but Ranieri would've won shit as well with the same level of investment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 It's partly cause the players can't be themselves on the pitch, especially the flair players. In games they have to work like dogs and over time that erodes morale. Hazard is the classic example he's always having to run back for every little thing - they are just sick of it all. Over organised. Players have started to drop off. That Brazilian kid came as a forward/winger...Where does he come on? Left back. /Pardesque There was a little period last year when they were killing teams and I can't really remember why that was? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 FWIW the best football Chelsea have played by far came under Ancelotti, who also won them the double in his first season - which Mourinho hasn't managed in 6 attempts. Absolute rubbish. The best football they played was easily when Robben was at his best and then after that it was under Hiddink. You and Ancelotti man. Nah, Ronaldo is spot on. Ancelotti's Chelsea absolutely obliterated the league, scoring 103 goals and battering teams left right and centre. Compare that to Mourinho's first two seasons where they scored 72 and 73. We're talking about when they played their best football. For me it was when they first got Robben and then under Hiddink. It's not a defence of Mourinho either, his teams are absolutely awful to watch, but imo they were best to watch during those two periods. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Thing is Mourinho's teams probably could have run wild but he's absolutely obsessed with declaring at 2-0 or as early as possible and killing the game by being snide. That really, really pisses me off. So needlessly negative but then again he went years without losing a home game before recently being worked out. Their nosedive has been incredible like, it really has. When you look at their squad, they're vastly underperforming. The stuff with the medic seems like the beginning of the end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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