AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 paulfraserecho Paul Fraser Carroll now quoted as saying that Derek Llambias asked him to hand in transfer request and says he felt like he was forced in to it. #nufc yep- how i see it. How could he have made Carroll hand in a transfer request though? It doesn't make sense. The only situation would be that Carroll made it clear he wanted to leave and the club said they wouldn't sell him unless he officially asked to go. That makes sense, nothing else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Ashley has put us through so much s**** since the Keegan tribunal: Relegation, the re-branding of the stadium, sacking Hughton, and so on. Why would he suddenly start caring what the fans think of him? He's just about universally hated. Keeping that in mind why would be hatch some elaborate plot to cover his arse when Carroll inevitably left? I'm not doubting Ashley wanted to sell at some point, but at the same time I don't buy into the conspiracy theories. I'm not defending Ashley. I just find it more likely that Carroll wanted to leave. That rather than Ashley would go out of his way to cover his arse and somehow 'force' Carroll to sign a transfer request,, when he hasn't given a s*** what we think in the past. I agree with you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCW1983 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 paulfraserecho Paul Fraser Carroll now quoted as saying that Derek Llambias asked him to hand in transfer request and says he felt like he was forced in to it. #nufc yep- how i see it. Andy hand in a transfer request or we will........ Do what exactly? He signed it, didnt have to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 we'll probably never know the full truth, pardews story is plausible and i await carrolls side of the story but the simple fact remains, no one held a gun to his head and forced him to go no one could force him to go Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 paulfraserecho Paul Fraser Carroll now quoted as saying that Derek Llambias asked him to hand in transfer request and says he felt like he was forced in to it. #nufc Andy hand in a transfer request or we will........ Do what exactly? He signed it, didnt have to. yep- how i see it. miss quote you on the internet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 The most depressing thing about all this is that the same thing will happen if any of our players start attracting major attention from more ambitious clubs. Our lot won't budge, so they'll be sold. I kind of fear the same, until you can compete with the top 4 financially you'll always be worried that any player's startling progress will inevitably lead to him moving. That unfortunately is the reality of where we are today. Fortunately we do have some very good players at the club, despite the current wailing we are not a one man team and if we had given in to his demands as soon as another club came after him, it would have had more serious and longer term implications for the morale of the team than his departure will have. ..and are these 'very good players' going to stay at a club that sells its best young players when other clubs dangle big bucks in front of them ?? See what happens with Enrique in summer.. Dunno mate. All I know is they won't be here forever and the better they are the harder they'll be to keep. Real question is how well placed we will be scouting wise and financially to keep/replace them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Mongo Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 How could he have made Carroll hand in a transfer request though? It doesn't make sense. It makes perfect sense. Now the club can come out of this pretending they didn't want to sell him. It's PR. Sure there's no force involved, but does it really have to be? On the one hand, you're asked to leave. On the other hand, you have an offer to triple your wages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Shearers view: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/9383179.stm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Ashley has put us through so much s**** since the Keegan tribunal: Relegation, the re-branding of the stadium, sacking Hughton, and so on. Why would he suddenly start caring what the fans think of him? He's just about universally hated. Keeping that in mind why would be hatch some elaborate plot to cover his arse when Carroll inevitably left? I'm not doubting Ashley wanted to sell at some point, but at the same time I don't buy into the conspiracy theories. I'm not defending Ashley. I just find it more likely that Carroll wanted to leave. That rather than Ashley would go out of his way to cover his arse and somehow 'force' Carroll to sign a transfer request,, when he hasn't given a s*** what we think in the past. I agree with you. Looking at all sides of the story, the most plausible argument so far is that we rejected Liverpool's bid, Carroll said he wanted a higher wage, we said no, he took this as 'not wanting him' so he asks to leave, we say only if you hand in a transfer request, he says ok, signs, sealed and delivered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 paulfraserecho Paul Fraser Carroll now quoted as saying that Derek Llambias asked him to hand in transfer request and says he felt like he was forced in to it. #nufc yep- how i see it. "Oh, no, HE'S ASKING ME! WHAT AM I GOING TO DO?! " Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCW1983 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 paulfraserecho Paul Fraser Carroll now quoted as saying that Derek Llambias asked him to hand in transfer request and says he felt like he was forced in to it. #nufc Andy hand in a transfer request or we will........ Do what exactly? He signed it, didnt have to. yep- how i see it. miss quote you on the internet? oops Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 So, I'm pretty much only just home after work and then a night out. I'm 200 pages behind on this thread The jist is, some people are claiming a conspiracy theory, just like the BBC, that Carroll was forced out? When, from what I've read, there's not a single thing that truly points to it? Can't help but feel the guy got his head turned and he figured he'd take the shot at Liverpool. I feel like it's in the same mould as the mackems and Bent, except Carroll hasn't wanted out for as long. Player likes the look of 'trading up', transfer request, unbelievable offer, might as well sell a player for a shitload of money if he's going to be unhappy. The only thing I've read is the mobile BBC website though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 3-4 weeks out yet, so the injury wasn't a lie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 It makes no sense that Carroll would hand in a transfer request because he was asked IF HE NEVER WANTED TO LEAVE. "We're selling you, Carroll." "Er, but boss, I realy want to stay." "Well you're not, sign this so that we look like angels and you look a cunt and Kev will run you down to Liverpool" "Er, ok boss." I think the most likely outcome is that he may have been asked to hand in a transfer request, but only after it had been made clear he wanted to leave (more than likely after it was made clear to him he wouldn't be getting a payrise). I'm by no means claiming Ashley isn't a nob, and I'm pretty sure he's chuffed with the 35 million rolling into his account, but i'm also pretty sure Carroll wasn't "forced" out of the club, he had a 5 year contract, and it was his choice to leave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 paulfraserecho Paul Fraser Carroll now quoted as saying that Derek Llambias asked him to hand in transfer request and says he felt like he was forced in to it. #nufc yep- how i see it. How could he have made Carroll hand in a transfer request though? It doesn't make sense. The only situation would be that Carroll made it clear he wanted to leave and the club said they wouldn't sell him unless he officially asked to go. That makes sense, nothing else. All this confusion is being used by both parties to save face. Both Carroll and Ashley's heads were turned by both the size of the fee and the substantial increase in wages that were supposedly on offer. At the end of the day, if he 'loved' the club as much as he claimed he would have told Liverpool that he wasn't interested, irrespective of whether he was asked to hand in a transfer request or not. It's a sort of 'plastic' loyalty that footballers have these days. Nothing sincere and meaningful can ever be taken from such statements imo. Just sounbites to please their audience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 paulfraserecho Carroll now quoted as saying that Derek Llambias asked him to hand in transfer request and says he felt like he was forced in to it. #nufc 14 minutes ago via ÜberTwitter Retweeted by UtdForNewcastle and 1 other Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 paulfraserecho Paul Fraser Carroll now quoted as saying that Derek Llambias asked him to hand in transfer request and says he felt like he was forced in to it. #nufc yep- how i see it. How could he have made Carroll hand in a transfer request though? It doesn't make sense. Are you daft? Would you stay at a club where the owners want to sell you? You'd stick two fingers up at the pricks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 ANDY Carroll told the Chronicle how he felt he was pushed out of Newcastle United. Following his £35m move to Liverpool, the Gateshead-born forward said he wanted to stay on Tyneside. Today the striker poured his heart out as the club explained why they “reluctantly” allowed their prized asset to leave when he submitted a written transfer request after they initially rejected bids from Liverpool. Carroll said: “I was in talks about a new contract and talking to the gaffer about that. “He told me that they are now not going to give me a contract. That was as soon as the offer of £30m came in. “So I asked why (I wasn’t getting a new contract) and he said his hands were tied. “He said it wasn’t up to him. Then a £35m bid got accepted. “And then I was allowed to talk to Liverpool. The owner then made it clear to me that I was not wanted at the club. “Saying that his own helicopter is waiting for me to go down to talk to them. “So being shown I’m not wanted I said OK I will talk to them. Then suddenly the bid was rejected. “And then Derek asked me to hand in a transfer request. So I was pushed into a corner and had no choice. “I wasn’t wanted by them and they made it clear they wanted the money. “Then I flew down in his (Ashley’s) helicopter. I didn’t want to leave. “I’m gutted that I wasn’t wanted at my home team after everything I’ve done and progress I’ve made. “I didn’t want to leave at all. Make sure they know I didn’t want to leave. “The players, staff and fans were fantastic.” Meanwhile, Pardew today told the Chronicle: “There was an offer refused in the morning and then we received a second improved offer. “Myself, Mike Ashley and Derek Llambias were having a discussion when Andy Carroll poked his head around the door and said he wanted to see me. “I had the conversation with Andy. He said he wanted a new contract now that would make him the highest paid player at the club. “This from a guy who had signed a new deal just a few months ago. “I asked him what he wanted but he didn’t reply.” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 How could he have made Carroll hand in a transfer request though? It doesn't make sense. It makes perfect sense. Now the club can come out of this pretending they didn't want to sell him. It's PR. Sure there's no force involved, but does it really have to be? On the one hand, you're asked to leave. On the other hand, you have an offer to triple your wages. You're missing the point, I'm asking why Carroll would have submitted a transfer request if he didn't want to go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Ashley obviously gives a shit. Why else would he hire a new PR head? The mud-slinging has begun way earlier than I expected Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 paulfraserecho Paul Fraser Carroll now quoted as saying that Derek Llambias asked him to hand in transfer request and says he felt like he was forced in to it. #nufc yep- how i see it. How could he have made Carroll hand in a transfer request though? It doesn't make sense. Are you daft? Would you stay at a club where the owners want to sell you? You'd stick two fingers up at the pricks. And deflect half of the blame away from them? (I feel like this thread is on a loop ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 How could he have made Carroll hand in a transfer request though? It doesn't make sense. It makes perfect sense. Now the club can come out of this pretending they didn't want to sell him. It's PR. Sure there's no force involved, but does it really have to be? On the one hand, you're asked to leave. On the other hand, you have an offer to triple your wages. You're missing the point, I'm asking why Carroll would have submitted a transfer request if he didn't want to go. Because they didn't want him there! They wanted to sell him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 paulfraserecho Paul Fraser Carroll now quoted as saying that Derek Llambias asked him to hand in transfer request and says he felt like he was forced in to it. #nufc yep- how i see it. How could he have made Carroll hand in a transfer request though? It doesn't make sense. Are you daft? Would you stay at a club where the owners want to sell you? You'd stick two fingers up at the pricks. And forfeit a 2.5-3.5M cut of the fee, no chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 paulfraserecho Paul Fraser Carroll now quoted as saying that Derek Llambias asked him to hand in transfer request and says he felt like he was forced in to it. #nufc yep- how i see it. How could he have made Carroll hand in a transfer request though? It doesn't make sense. Are you daft? Would you stay at a club where the owners want to sell you? You'd stick two fingers up at the pricks. Yes, but if they want to sell you you can just say "OK, I don't really want to go but I'll leave if you don't want me". Submitting a transfer request is actively asking to be sold. And, no, I'm not daft (well, not very). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Still comes down to him wanting more money to stay and the club being angered by his greed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts