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Cisse is pretty poor at defending the near post

 

:lol: You're so bent, Dropout.

 

Gotta be the most unusual argument I've heard for getting Carroll.

 

"Cisse is crap at defending the near post on corners, need Carroll for sure." :lol:

 

He's the biggest WUM on here man.  The fact people even chose to acknowledge that comment is baffling.

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It's a valid point that Carroll would boost our prowess at attacking and defending set-pieces.

 

I know it's cool to pretend i'm talking nonsense then later repeat my point but c'mon lads.

 

Okay I'll bite. Our problem with set pieces is not that Cisse flops about in the box, it's that we consistently aim our shots at a single player. Adding Carroll wouldn't help that, they'd just put 3 guys on him knowing we're aiming for his massive forehead.

 

And Cisse is hardly the problem on our set-piece defending as well. The problem is that our players get a touch on the ball and immediately boot it back to the opposition, where they can continue to press on offense.

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To be fair there were 3 players on Carroll when we lost to City at home shortly before he left. He still scored and bossed them all game.

 

:thup:

 

Though one instance a pattern does not make tbh.

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I just can't see anything in Pardews locker but a flat 4-4-2 with Carroll in the team, there's no way he'd be on the bench as a plan b. it'll be the first half if the season all over again only worse as I rate Ba over Carroll IMO.

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I just can't see anything in Pardews locker but a flat 4-4-2 with Carroll in the team, there's no way he'd be on the bench as a plan b. it'll be the first half if the season all over again only worse as I rate Ba over Carroll IMO.

 

Completely different players. In his best form, Carroll is one of the most physically-demanding forwards in the league. And quite possibly the best through the air. Ba is much better with his feet and a more natural goalscorer. He's been the unquestionably better player over the past two seasons. But he can't provide the kind of hold-up play and physicality that Carroll can.

 

I'm growing more and more intrigued by the prospect of re-signing Carroll, especially if there's no hope that Pardew will be sacked. If he insists on running his crap system, we might as well get him some players that can play it. Unfortunately, that negates the ability of players like Cabaye, Anita, Sissoko, Marveaux, Gouffran, who are all better fits in a fluid 4-3-3/4-5-1 hybrid. I'd imagine the front 6 would look something like this if we got Carroll (assuming full health):

 

                  Carroll

                            Cisse

Gouffran                          Ben Arfa

            Cabaye    Sissoko

 

 

Though Gouffran is not a true winger and Ben Arfa would continue to collapse-in from the right, leaving a ton of room down the flank. And Cabaye isn't best as a box-to-box central midfielder that he'd need to be in a 4-4-2.

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There is others I would rather have however if Carroll played with Cisse then Carroll could bring the ball down, hold it up for Cisse which could work out well.

 

The price has to be right, his wages has to be right, and he can't have the number 9 shirt back.

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It's a valid point that Carroll would boost our prowess at attacking and defending set-pieces.

 

I know it's cool to pretend i'm talking nonsense then later repeat my point but c'mon lads.

 

Okay I'll bite. Our problem with set pieces is not that Cisse flops about in the box, it's that we consistently aim our shots at a single player. Adding Carroll wouldn't help that, they'd just put 3 guys on him knowing we're aiming for his massive forehead.

 

And Cisse is hardly the problem on our set-piece defending as well. The problem is that our players get a touch on the ball and immediately boot it back to the opposition, where they can continue to press on offense.

 

If you don't think AC would improve our set-pieces at all I don't know what to say to you.

 

Cisse is not THE problem but he is part of the problem. This much is clear surely?

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Cisse isn't good enough. Carroll is the best and shouldn't have been sold

 

He might be a Geordie boy but I don't think he'll want to take a huge pay cut from his 90k a week at Liverpool.

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