sempuki Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 West Ham fans seem to think it's very likely he'll be signing perm for them. They can't afford him and fat sam has already said even if they could the Financial Fair Play stops them from being able to. I wondered about this but Fat Sham usually spouts shit so who knows. Like the idea of two forwards though so we can put Shola out to pasture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krybel Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Would love it if we got him back. Love it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Pardew has said we need two strikers and he's right. Not sure how we could sort the wages issue but purely from a squad point of view I can't see anything wrong with having Carroll as one of our striking options. Sure he is a certain type of player but options are what squads are about. What we might have to pay for him is not for us to worry about. Ashley/Llambias can make the call on that, it clearly won't be £35 million though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 West Ham fans seem to think it's very likely he'll be signing perm for them. They can't afford him and fat sam has already said even if they could the Financial Fair Play stops them from being able to. I wondered about this but Fat Sham usually spouts s*** so who knows. Like the idea of two forwards though so we can put Shola out to pasture. Pasture? Straight to the glue factory! On the topic of Carroll, I said in January I wouldn't touch him simply because of the way it'd make us play and I didn't want to see that, but it seems Pardew is intent on playing that way regardless of the personnel. So if we're keeping the fraud we may as well buy a player that can make the ball 'stick' and make something of it. Not that I'd be happy with it, just the best of a bad situation! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppe Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Pardew will put him on the wing I laughed at this, but it's not funny, because it's true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 i know, im just trying to put a positive spin on it if carroll was coming. the season has been a shambles but i think with carroll added into the mix of his crap tactics i think it would work, we don't know what players will be coming and going but looknig at what we have currently and adding carroll i think it could actually work up front at least with a decent striker that hopefully could add another dynamic to the attacking side. mind no way do i think hes worth anything over 10 million either Think of him simply being an upgrade on Shola. At the right price, he would be a fantastic addition. We simply do not have the players to play to his strengths. Yes Pardew likes his hoof ball and that there is more to Andy than his airiel ability but it it's by far his best asset. If we got him for a few million then fair enough but we won't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 I doubt West Ham would pay the agreed £17m. I doubt anybody would. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Pardew will put him on the wing I laughed at this, but it's not funny, because it's true For a number of reasons it did not work with Ba and Cisse up top in a 4-4-2, it seemed to me that one of the reasons was that they frequently arrived in the same areas at the same time and got in each others way. They did not "hit it off". We did well with 4-3-3 last season with Ba playing wide, but come the start of this season Ba was more likely to hit the net than Cisse and, I suspect,made it clear he wasn't happy playing wide so he took the central role. If you are Pardew do you leave out Cisse (who is an instinctive goalscorer and can score a goal from nothing) or play someone else? It really does not mean that Carroll or any other central striker we sign will end up playing on the wing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 No reason Carroll, Cisse and Hatem couldn't switch during a game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Pardew will put him on the wing I laughed at this, but it's not funny, because it's true Its not, Cisse will go on the wing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 No reason Carroll, Cisse and Hatem couldn't switch during a game. I've said this repeatedly, why not let them just roam between the three front positions. When we lose the ball whoever is closest defends that area. Need a coach who preaches that kind of movement though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuyP Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Baring in mind we sold for twice as much, how would people react to signing him back for transfer record? Id rather get him as cheap as possible obviously, but wouldnt it be nice to have him clear the blot that Owen casts over this club Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 No reason Carroll, Cisse and Hatem couldn't switch during a game. I've said this repeatedly, why not let them just roam between the three front positions. When we lose the ball whoever is closest defends that area. Need a coach who preaches that kind of movement though. There was a point where we were actually doing this under Pardew. It didn't last long like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Baring in mind we sold for twice as much, how would people react to signing him back for transfer record? Id rather get him as cheap as possible obviously, but wouldnt it be nice to have him clear the blot that Owen casts over this club I wouldn't want him unless he's fairly cheap, and I guess Ashley will think the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 I'd be distraught if we signed him for any more than £12m and even that's a few million too dear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Underpants Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 I'd be distraught if we signed him for any more than £12m and even that's a few million too dear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 I'd be distraught if we signed him for any more than £12m and even that's a few million too dear. Aye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Yeah would still be overpriced for I'd hope would be a squad player who is a useful option. Pardew would play him every game in a 4-4-2 alongside Cisse and it wouldn't work (unless we signed two proper wide players mind) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 If we play 4-4-2 i don't think we've got the CMs for it currently. Tiote and Sissoko possibly have the athleticism and definitely have the strength for it but they don't have the passing ability. Cabaye i think would be exhausted trying to do everything. Perch hasn't the quality. We also don't have wingers who can whip a cross in. So, for 4-4-2, the way we'd play it with Carroll, we'd need a couple of wingers and at least another CM - an all rounder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 If we play 4-4-2 i don't think we've got the CMs for it currently. Tiote and Sissoko possibly have the athleticism and definitely have the strength for it but they don't have the passing ability. Cabaye i think would be exhausted trying to do everything. Perch hasn't the quality. We also don't have wingers who can whip a cross in. So, for 4-4-2, the way we'd play it with Carroll, we'd need a couple of wingers and at least another CM - an all rounder. This is one of the reasons I hope we don't buy Carroll. TBF Pardew hasn't really demonstrated a love for 4-4-2 that much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 If we play 4-4-2 i don't think we've got the CMs for it currently. Tiote and Sissoko possibly have the athleticism and definitely have the strength for it but they don't have the passing ability. Cabaye i think would be exhausted trying to do everything. Perch hasn't the quality. We also don't have wingers who can whip a cross in. So, for 4-4-2, the way we'd play it with Carroll, we'd need a couple of wingers and at least another CM - an all rounder. This is one of the reasons I hope we don't buy Carroll. TBF Pardew hasn't really demonstrated a love for 4-4-2 that much. It worked against Manu last season (at home) because they had Carrick and Giggs as their 2 CMs and they were easily out worked by Cabaye and Tiote. Even then they had a good 1st 20 mins against us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 If we play 4-4-2 i don't think we've got the CMs for it currently. Tiote and Sissoko possibly have the athleticism and definitely have the strength for it but they don't have the passing ability. Cabaye i think would be exhausted trying to do everything. Perch hasn't the quality. We also don't have wingers who can whip a cross in. So, for 4-4-2, the way we'd play it with Carroll, we'd need a couple of wingers and at least another CM - an all rounder. This is one of the reasons I hope we don't buy Carroll. TBF Pardew hasn't really demonstrated a love for 4-4-2 that much. It worked against Manu last season (at home) because they had Carrick and Giggs as their 2 CMs and they were easily out worked by Cabaye and Tiote. Even then they had a good 1st 20 mins against us. Sort of game I would like Carroll for but their backline was unduly bulled that game, they should have done better, and really one goal came from that route 1 stuff which required a superb conversion from Ba, which Carroll couldn't do, and another was a bit of a fluke once the game was basically over. Don't get me wrong we bullied them that day and the 4-4-2 worked very well, but it wouldn't work against a proper midfield. I wouldn't mind Carroll to help with this as an option to use in games where the midfield won't smother us and the defence can be bullied, but my fear is Pardew sees this style of playing as the be all and end all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 No reason Carroll, Cisse and Hatem couldn't switch during a game. I've said this repeatedly, why not let them just roam between the three front positions. When we lose the ball whoever is closest defends that area. Need a coach who preaches that kind of movement though. There was a point where we were actually doing this under Pardew. It didn't last long like. And if iiirc, it worked on our lovely little run last season. It is rather baffling why he just dropped it after the Wigan 4-0 defeat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Dancer Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Even in the 4-0 to Wigan we weren't that bad IIRC. Just one of them mad games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Even in the 4-0 to Wigan we weren't that bad IIRC. Just one of them mad games. The first half was like you say, just one of them games. It's strange Pardew stopped using because of that half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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