Guest bimpy474 Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Carroll is still going to mature. Love the posts normally HTT but on this you are trying to land a shit in your toilet from outer space. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Because he's developed into far more of a goal threat Play to Carroll's strengths and you'll get a goal every other game. Play to Davies' and you'll get one every four. That's a cop-out type of argument to be honest. Play to anyone's strengths and the chances they will do well is higher than not regardless of the degrees of well. Playing to Davies strengths may not get you the same goals returns but it could well yeald better retuns in over areas. Likewise with many players. If we were to simply let Ben Arfa play in total freedom he would probably perform well as an individual in most games but at what cost to the team and to what dividend so to speak? His? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Thread title Why. The. f***. Does. It. Matter?! Man. This forum prides itself on the accuracy (and comic value) of the thread titles. Have you asked it, like? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Ronaldo, even at what 35 or something Davies is more mobile than Carroll Biased garbage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 HTT's posts are always interesting and readable but they always without fail contain a nugget of horseplop that ruins them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 I'm really non-plus as to whether Carroll comes back or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Ronaldo, even at what 35 or something Davies is more mobile than Carroll Biased garbage. Howay man, watch some of his 'highlights' from last season, even when super charged up against us he lacked more mobility than Shearer on the touchline during his fucking testimonial. Davies puts himself about and works his socks off. He may not be fast but he covers the ground and moves around. Carroll is not mobile. If he applied for Motability he'd get it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Of course Carroll's weakness is mobility but it's not a massive weakness. In my opinion, his greatest failing is his movement in the box. When you take a look at him as a player, he's outstanding in the air, he brings other players into the game, his left foot is class and he bullies the shit out of defenders. There's not another player like him in the PL who is anywhere near as good at doing what he does. I say all this and I don't want him back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Davies is more mobile than Carroll? Carroll's ability is meh atm (most likely down to confidence issues) but there's no way Kevin Davies is a more mobile player than Carroll. I've heard it all now. Btw, hope West Ham get serious about this move. I know they've denied this £2 million loan deal but it's definitely not the last we'll hear from them with regards to Carroll. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 HTT's posts are always interesting and readable but they always without fail contain a nugget of horseplop that ruins them. Recently this has certainly been the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Perhaps I'm becoming a bit of a football snob or even spoilt but when I've seen the likes of Alan Shearer, Andy Cole, Sir Les, Cisse, Ba and yes even Michael f***ing Owen wear our colours, the thought of Andy Carroll, a throw-back to the past in that he is a a limited target man/battering ram style of forward, being heralded and considered as some kind of future great based on little other than some heading ability and strength and a very short hot streak for us, then shoot me f***ing down as a no-nowt gobshite full of horseplop. The lad is distinctively average if we are taking about top quality centre-forwards who has cost his current club an English transfer record fee and while that says quite a lot about the idiots at Liverpool and indeed our idiotic transfer system when it comes to young British players it says a whole lot more about our football values as fans and our development of footballers that Andy f***ing Carroll, a charver from Gateshead who can head a ball sometimes, bully the odd defender and be strong at times, is considered the future of English football or indeed our own Newcastle United, then we are f***ed I tell you. Why the hell we would want him back I do not know. I can only feel that this is opportunistic, ego-driven and ballsy becuase on a footballing level he is to what we are and want to be to what David Cameron and co are to the UK. Surely we can do better on every level, footballing, price wise, personality wise etc. etc. He ranks alongside your Grant Holts, Fletchers, Doyles etc. in terms of genuine ability, players who although decent enough in certain ways and in certain circumstances, a club like ours with eyes on the top 6 and European football, who is used to top quality forwards, should never ever consider for silly money. He is worth around 8m max and only as a squad player. We can do better. Best was a better option and a better all-rounder. english football transfers and football values = madness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 theres a few interesting bits in this http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpools-andy-carroll-refuses-west-1191721 dunno how true but worth posting Carroll's position is further complicated because it is understood Liverpool have not yet paid Newcastle the final instalments of his transfer fee. It is also understood the Geordies are entitled to a cut of any deal, after inserting a 25 per cent sell-on clause into their agreement with the Anfield outfit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Davies more mobile than Carroll? :lol: I've never heard such utter garbage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Change the thread title then ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Mags Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 theres a few interesting bits in this http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpools-andy-carroll-refuses-west-1191721 dunno how true but worth posting Carroll's position is further complicated because it is understood Liverpool have not yet paid Newcastle the final instalments of his transfer fee. It is also understood the Geordies are entitled to a cut of any deal, after inserting a 25 per cent sell-on clause into their agreement with the Anfield outfit. So if we buy him back, we pay ourselves a 25% cut of our own transfer then? Must be some sort of tax dodge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 They paid £30m up front wasn't it? Could explain why we've supposedly offered so much less than West Ham. Write off the outstanding £5m? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 They paid £30m up front wasn't it? Could explain why we've supposedly offered so much less than West Ham. Write off the outstanding £5m? or whatever's left of it since some of it has clearly been paid given llambias said they were late in a payment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 They paid £30m up front wasn't it? Could explain why we've supposedly offered so much less than West Ham. Write off the outstanding £5m? Dekka - We had the control. We knew the Torres deal was there. We drew that f****** deal, perhaps the ultimate. So £30m? F*** off! Don’t waste my time and I slammed the phone down. £35m? Everybody including Pardew [manager Alan Pardew] all agreed. But the £35m they wanted to pay over four years. It was rubbish. Mike (Ashley) said — and he is a brave boy Mike I promise you — get all the £35m up front. We got it all up front and then they never paid us on time and we charged them 12 grand f****** interest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Archie Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 He is worth around 8m max and only as a squad player. We can do better. Best was a better option and a better all-rounder. english football transfers and football values = madness. Bullshit and utter drivel. Carroll with backing and confidence is unplayable. 8 mill max and Best better ffs. Sometimes I wonder if people suffer from acute amnesia. I`d love to have him back and I believe he can become a true great if he digs his heels in and takes fotball seriously. Heaven or hell its all up to you Andy. He is barely in his twenties and already one of the most physically dominant strikers in the league while binging every weekend, add to that he is just 180 lbs and 6`2. Imagine with a proper diet and cardio/weights training. Could easily become the next Christian Vieri. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1878 Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Can't believe you got a 25% sell-on clause as well! Absolute mugging :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 They paid £30m up front wasn't it? Could explain why we've supposedly offered so much less than West Ham. Write off the outstanding £5m? Dekka - We had the control. We knew the Torres deal was there. We drew that f****** deal, perhaps the ultimate. So £30m? F*** off! Don’t waste my time and I slammed the phone down. £35m? Everybody including Pardew [manager Alan Pardew] all agreed. But the £35m they wanted to pay over four years. It was rubbish. Mike (Ashley) said — and he is a brave boy Mike I promise you — get all the £35m up front. We got it all up front and then they never paid us on time and we charged them 12 grand f****** interest. http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Liverpool-Andy-Carroll-cost-a-highly-unusual-30million-up-front-plus-25-of-any-sell-on-fee-as-Newcastle-played-hardball-on-transfer-deadline-day-article700813.html Either could be true or false, this seems to fit though. Same paper mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 They paid £30m up front wasn't it? Could explain why we've supposedly offered so much less than West Ham. Write off the outstanding £5m? Dekka - We had the control. We knew the Torres deal was there. We drew that f****** deal, perhaps the ultimate. So £30m? F*** off! Don’t waste my time and I slammed the phone down. £35m? Everybody including Pardew [manager Alan Pardew] all agreed. But the £35m they wanted to pay over four years. It was rubbish. Mike (Ashley) said — and he is a brave boy Mike I promise you — get all the £35m up front. We got it all up front and then they never paid us on time and we charged them 12 grand f****** interest. They said at the time it was £30m up front and that Dekka quote was from when he was out on the lash acting all billy bigtime and and the conversation was taped. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jul/30/andy-carroll-west-ham-liverpool Andy Carroll will resist £19m West Ham deal to sign him from Liverpool • Clubs talk about loan followed by signing at end of season • England striker would prefer to return to Newcastle United David Hytner guardian.co.uk, Monday 30 July 2012 23.21 BST Andy Carroll will resist a move to West Ham United, even though Liverpool have accepted a bid from the London club that appeared to signal the end of the striker's time at Anfield. Liverpool have told West Ham that they can have Carroll on loan for the season in exchange for £2m, but that West Ham must then pay a further £17m to make the deal permanent if they retain their Premier League status. The Merseyside club had maintained that they would not loan out Carroll, for whom they paid £35m to Newcastle United,but West Ham's proposal is an acceptable compromise to them. There would be no mere option for West Ham to buy Carroll next summer; if they remained a Premier League club, they would be legally bound to sign him. The deal would be a coup for West Hamon their return to the top division, a signing to dwarf their previous record outlay, which was the £9m they paid to Brescia for Savio Nsereko in 2009 during Gianfranco Zola's managerial tenure. Nsereko did not settle and he was promptly sold to Fiorentina. West Ham, though, have work to do to convince Carroll that he ought to move to Upton Park. Carroll would like to prove himself at Liverpool and, if he were reluctantly to accept that he had no future under the new manager Brendan Rodgers, he would want to join a club that could offer European football. Newcastle have been prominent among the clubs to have monitored Carroll's situation – the manager, Alan Pardew, has consistently spoken highly of him – and Carroll would be receptive to a move back to St James' Park, even if they will play only in next season's Europa League. In agreeing to West Ham's £19m package, Liverpool have advertised their bottom line price and they may hope to generate an auction, although it is unclear whether Newcastle would agree to at least match the figure. Carroll's wages may also be a problem at St James' Park. His weekly pay went from £20,000 to £80,000 when he joined Liverpool, and that puts him considerably above Newcastle's basic wage ceiling. West Ham would be more confident of satisfying Carroll's financial terms. The West Ham charm offensive will be led by the manager, Sam Allardyce, and the captain, Kevin Nolan, who have the same agent as Carroll. Nolan is a close friend of Carroll's, having played with him at Newcastle, and he has urged him to make the move to London. Rodgers has done his utmost to say the right things about Carroll but he is prepared to plan for Liverpool's future without him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JToon7 Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 He is worth around 8m max and only as a squad player. We can do better. Best was a better option and a better all-rounder. english football transfers and football values = madness. Bullshit and utter drivel. Carroll with backing and confidence is unplayable. 8 mill max and Best better ffs. Sometimes I wonder if people suffer from acute amnesia. I`d love to have him back and I believe he can become a true great if he digs his heels in and takes fotball seriously. Heaven or hell its all up to you Andy. He is barely in his twenties and already one of the most physically dominant strikers in the league while binging every weekend, add to that he is just 180 lbs and 6`2. Imagine with a proper diet and cardio/weights training. Could easily become the next Christian Vieri. Biggest insult ever to Christian Vieri, he was far better technically than Carroll will ever be. Also i disagree with almost everythng else you said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jul/30/andy-carroll-west-ham-liverpool Andy Carroll will resist £19m West Ham deal to sign him from Liverpool • Clubs talk about loan followed by signing at end of season • England striker would prefer to return to Newcastle United David Hytner guardian.co.uk, Monday 30 July 2012 23.21 BST Andy Carroll will resist a move to West Ham United, even though Liverpool have accepted a bid from the London club that appeared to signal the end of the striker's time at Anfield. Liverpool have told West Ham that they can have Carroll on loan for the season in exchange for £2m, but that West Ham must then pay a further £17m to make the deal permanent if they retain their Premier League status. The Merseyside club had maintained that they would not loan out Carroll, for whom they paid £35m to Newcastle United,but West Ham's proposal is an acceptable compromise to them. There would be no mere option for West Ham to buy Carroll next summer; if they remained a Premier League club, they would be legally bound to sign him. The deal would be a coup for West Hamon their return to the top division, a signing to dwarf their previous record outlay, which was the £9m they paid to Brescia for Savio Nsereko in 2009 during Gianfranco Zola's managerial tenure. Nsereko did not settle and he was promptly sold to Fiorentina. West Ham, though, have work to do to convince Carroll that he ought to move to Upton Park. Carroll would like to prove himself at Liverpool and, if he were reluctantly to accept that he had no future under the new manager Brendan Rodgers, he would want to join a club that could offer European football. Newcastle have been prominent among the clubs to have monitored Carroll's situation – the manager, Alan Pardew, has consistently spoken highly of him – and Carroll would be receptive to a move back to St James' Park, even if they will play only in next season's Europa League. In agreeing to West Ham's £19m package, Liverpool have advertised their bottom line price and they may hope to generate an auction, although it is unclear whether Newcastle would agree to at least match the figure. Carroll's wages may also be a problem at St James' Park. His weekly pay went from £20,000 to £80,000 when he joined Liverpool, and that puts him considerably above Newcastle's basic wage ceiling. West Ham would be more confident of satisfying Carroll's financial terms. The West Ham charm offensive will be led by the manager, Sam Allardyce, and the captain, Kevin Nolan, who have the same agent as Carroll. Nolan is a close friend of Carroll's, having played with him at Newcastle, and he has urged him to make the move to London. Rodgers has done his utmost to say the right things about Carroll but he is prepared to plan for Liverpool's future without him. he could be forced into moving.....again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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