SteV Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 6 minutes ago, Zero said: Training with first team for a few weeks won’t be too much to ask for? In a couple of years time perhaps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 (edited) 8 minutes ago, SteV said: In a couple of years time perhaps. you got to know the cartel clubs would offer guarantee first team appearances contract to these boys. If we don’t show them we would be willing to do the same, they will definitely go. see Bobby Clark Edited April 7 by Zero Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 Just now, Zero said: you got to know the cartel clubs would offer guarantee first team appearances contract to these boys. If we don’t show them we would be willing to do the same, they will definitely go. I think you’re mistaken if you think the likes of Man City or Arsenal are going round guaranteeing first team appearances to 14 year olds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinitely Content Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 26 minutes ago, Yorkie said: Appreciate the insights, @Minhosa. It's so critical that our academy ups is game so this is all really encouraging. I asked ChatGPT to create a table which defined each PL club using two metrics - pathway into first team and revenue generation - and it reckons that, cumulatively, we're the team getting the least out of its academy. Obviously it's AI so you can't put too much weight into its conclusions but I think it's probably true. 🟥 Manchester United Pathway strength: ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Revenue efficiency: ⭐⭐☆☆☆ Rashford, McTominay, Garnacho (pathway); Henderson, Elanga (sales) Best first-team integration; less profitable via sales 🔵 Chelsea Pathway strength: ⭐⭐⭐⭐☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Mount, Reece James, Chalobah (pathway); Abraham, Hudson-Odoi, Loftus-Cheek (sales) World-leading revenue output; pathway exists but most leave via sales 🔴 Arsenal Pathway strength:⭐⭐⭐⭐☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐⭐⭐☆ Saka, Smith Rowe, Nketiah (pathway); Iwobi, Willock, Balogun (sales) Balanced: play some, sell others 🔴 Liverpool Pathway strength:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Alexander-Arnold, Jones, Elliott (pathway); Brewster, N Williams, Wilson (sales) Top-heavy elite talent; moderate revenue generation 🟢 Southampton Pathway strength:⭐⭐⭐⭐☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐⭐⭐☆ Ward-Prowse, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Chambers (pathway & sales) Excellent non-big-six club; both pathway & sales strong 🔵 Manchester City Pathway strength:⭐⭐☆☆☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Phil Foden (pathway); Palmer, Lavia, Bazunu (sales) Many leave via sales; pathway into first team very narrow 🔴 Liverpool Pathway strength:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Alexander-Arnold, Jones, Elliott (pathway); Brewster, N Williams, Wilson (sales) Top-heavy elite talent; moderate revenue generation 🟣 Aston Villa Pathway strength:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Grealish, Ramsey (pathway); Grealish sale (revenue) Small volume but high-quality integration & sale 🔵 Brighton Pathway strength:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Ferguson, Mac Allister (youth integration); mostly B-team to sales Emerging academy, gradually improving 🟡 Leeds United Pathway strength:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐⭐⭐☆ Phillips, Gray (sales) Low volume but high-value sales 🔵 Everton Pathway strength:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Barkley, Gordon Historically solid but inconsistent 🟣 West Ham Pathway strength:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐⭐⭐☆ Declan Rice Famous “academy of football”; very selective but lucrative 🟤 Brentford Pathway strength:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐⭐⭐☆ Mainly B-team graduates Non-traditional model; excellent revenue output, limited pathway ⚫⚪ Newcastle United Pathway strength:⭐⭐☆☆☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐☆☆☆ Sean Longstaff, Elliot Anderson Very limited first-team integration & sales historically 🟠 Wolves Pathway strength:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Semedo, Fábio Silva Some development & sales; not elite 🔵 Crystal Palace Pathway strength:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Wan-Bissaka, Olise Decent integration, moderate sales 🔴 Nottingham Forest Pathway strength:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Brennan Johnson, Grabban (sales mostly) Emerging pathway & sales post-Prem promotion 🟢 Fulham Pathway strength:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Tosin Adarabioyo, Sessegnon Moderate pathway and sales 🔴 Bournemouth Pathway strength:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Brooks (sale) Small academy, occasional sales Obviously we've got a lot of work to do, but that list is a bit mad. It has us beneath the likes of Fulham, Forest, Bournemouth, Wolves and Brentford but just Anderson alone, an England international and likely £100m player, plus Longstaff with 200+ PL/CL games and Miley coming through puts us far ahead of anything any of those clubs have produced from within. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
healthyaddiction Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 27 minutes ago, Yorkie said: Appreciate the insights, @Minhosa. It's so critical that our academy ups is game so this is all really encouraging. I asked ChatGPT to create a table which defined each PL club using two metrics - pathway into first team and revenue generation - and it reckons that, cumulatively, we're the team getting the least out of its academy. Obviously it's AI so you can't put too much weight into its conclusions but I think it's probably true. 🟥 Manchester United Pathway strength: ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Revenue efficiency: ⭐⭐☆☆☆ Rashford, McTominay, Garnacho (pathway); Henderson, Elanga (sales) Best first-team integration; less profitable via sales 🔵 Chelsea Pathway strength: ⭐⭐⭐⭐☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Mount, Reece James, Chalobah (pathway); Abraham, Hudson-Odoi, Loftus-Cheek (sales) World-leading revenue output; pathway exists but most leave via sales 🔴 Arsenal Pathway strength:⭐⭐⭐⭐☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐⭐⭐☆ Saka, Smith Rowe, Nketiah (pathway); Iwobi, Willock, Balogun (sales) Balanced: play some, sell others 🔴 Liverpool Pathway strength:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Alexander-Arnold, Jones, Elliott (pathway); Brewster, N Williams, Wilson (sales) Top-heavy elite talent; moderate revenue generation 🟢 Southampton Pathway strength:⭐⭐⭐⭐☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐⭐⭐☆ Ward-Prowse, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Chambers (pathway & sales) Excellent non-big-six club; both pathway & sales strong 🔵 Manchester City Pathway strength:⭐⭐☆☆☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Phil Foden (pathway); Palmer, Lavia, Bazunu (sales) Many leave via sales; pathway into first team very narrow 🔴 Liverpool Pathway strength:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Alexander-Arnold, Jones, Elliott (pathway); Brewster, N Williams, Wilson (sales) Top-heavy elite talent; moderate revenue generation 🟣 Aston Villa Pathway strength:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Grealish, Ramsey (pathway); Grealish sale (revenue) Small volume but high-quality integration & sale 🔵 Brighton Pathway strength:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Ferguson, Mac Allister (youth integration); mostly B-team to sales Emerging academy, gradually improving 🟡 Leeds United Pathway strength:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐⭐⭐☆ Phillips, Gray (sales) Low volume but high-value sales 🔵 Everton Pathway strength:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Barkley, Gordon Historically solid but inconsistent 🟣 West Ham Pathway strength:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐⭐⭐☆ Declan Rice Famous “academy of football”; very selective but lucrative 🟤 Brentford Pathway strength:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐⭐⭐☆ Mainly B-team graduates Non-traditional model; excellent revenue output, limited pathway ⚫⚪ Newcastle United Pathway strength:⭐⭐☆☆☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐☆☆☆ Sean Longstaff, Elliot Anderson Very limited first-team integration & sales historically 🟠 Wolves Pathway strength:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Semedo, Fábio Silva Some development & sales; not elite 🔵 Crystal Palace Pathway strength:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Wan-Bissaka, Olise Decent integration, moderate sales 🔴 Nottingham Forest Pathway strength:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Brennan Johnson, Grabban (sales mostly) Emerging pathway & sales post-Prem promotion 🟢 Fulham Pathway strength:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Tosin Adarabioyo, Sessegnon Moderate pathway and sales 🔴 Bournemouth Pathway strength:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Brooks (sale) Small academy, occasional sales Just a quick scan of that makes it obviously nonsense. Wolves, for example, apprently developed Semedo, who they bought when he was 26, and Fabio Silva, who cost them around £30m? Palace brought through Olise, who had played for two seasons at Reading? Brentford a three star pathway, and four star revenue. Who have they produced? Grabban joined Forest when he was 30. I've only looked at a couple teams to figure that out too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 Bloody thing. Still, we're certainly a long way behind those we're supposed to be chasing. Man City and Chelsea are just printing money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lovejoy Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 7 hours ago, Rafalove said: He’s Trevor Benjamin’s son. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEFAFWISP Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 (edited) 4 hours ago, lovejoy said: He’s Trevor Benjamin’s son. Woof, what a career down the tiers. Edited April 8 by GEFAFWISP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghandis Flip-Flop Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 Aye a mate on Bluesky reckons he still lives in Bedlington, genuinely didn’t realise he’d played for the Terriers like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 On 07/04/2026 at 11:46, Yorkie said: Appreciate the insights, @Minhosa. It's so critical that our academy ups is game so this is all really encouraging. I asked ChatGPT to create a table which defined each PL club using two metrics - pathway into first team and revenue generation - and it reckons that, cumulatively, we're the team getting the least out of its academy. Obviously it's AI so you can't put too much weight into its conclusions but I think it's probably true. 🟥 Manchester United Pathway strength: ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Revenue efficiency: ⭐⭐☆☆☆ Rashford, McTominay, Garnacho (pathway); Henderson, Elanga (sales) Best first-team integration; less profitable via sales 🔵 Chelsea Pathway strength: ⭐⭐⭐⭐☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Mount, Reece James, Chalobah (pathway); Abraham, Hudson-Odoi, Loftus-Cheek (sales) World-leading revenue output; pathway exists but most leave via sales 🔴 Arsenal Pathway strength:⭐⭐⭐⭐☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐⭐⭐☆ Saka, Smith Rowe, Nketiah (pathway); Iwobi, Willock, Balogun (sales) Balanced: play some, sell others 🔴 Liverpool Pathway strength:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Alexander-Arnold, Jones, Elliott (pathway); Brewster, N Williams, Wilson (sales) Top-heavy elite talent; moderate revenue generation 🟢 Southampton Pathway strength:⭐⭐⭐⭐☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐⭐⭐☆ Ward-Prowse, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Chambers (pathway & sales) Excellent non-big-six club; both pathway & sales strong 🔵 Manchester City Pathway strength:⭐⭐☆☆☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Phil Foden (pathway); Palmer, Lavia, Bazunu (sales) Many leave via sales; pathway into first team very narrow 🔴 Liverpool Pathway strength:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Alexander-Arnold, Jones, Elliott (pathway); Brewster, N Williams, Wilson (sales) Top-heavy elite talent; moderate revenue generation 🟣 Aston Villa Pathway strength:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Grealish, Ramsey (pathway); Grealish sale (revenue) Small volume but high-quality integration & sale 🔵 Brighton Pathway strength:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Ferguson, Mac Allister (youth integration); mostly B-team to sales Emerging academy, gradually improving 🟡 Leeds United Pathway strength:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐⭐⭐☆ Phillips, Gray (sales) Low volume but high-value sales 🔵 Everton Pathway strength:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Barkley, Gordon Historically solid but inconsistent 🟣 West Ham Pathway strength:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐⭐⭐☆ Declan Rice Famous “academy of football”; very selective but lucrative 🟤 Brentford Pathway strength:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐⭐⭐☆ Mainly B-team graduates Non-traditional model; excellent revenue output, limited pathway ⚫⚪ Newcastle United Pathway strength:⭐⭐☆☆☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐☆☆☆ Sean Longstaff, Elliot Anderson Very limited first-team integration & sales historically 🟠 Wolves Pathway strength:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Semedo, Fábio Silva Some development & sales; not elite 🔵 Crystal Palace Pathway strength:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Wan-Bissaka, Olise Decent integration, moderate sales 🔴 Nottingham Forest Pathway strength:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Brennan Johnson, Grabban (sales mostly) Emerging pathway & sales post-Prem promotion 🟢 Fulham Pathway strength:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Tosin Adarabioyo, Sessegnon Moderate pathway and sales 🔴 Bournemouth Pathway strength:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Revenue efficiency:⭐⭐⭐☆☆ Brooks (sale) Small academy, occasional sales I’d put slightly more weight into its conclusions if it had us in there instead of Southampton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 13 minutes ago, leffe186 said: I’d put slightly more weight into its conclusions if it had us in there instead of Southampton. And our pathway might have been better had we better players to follow any path. Its not like the Premier league is full of our ex youth teams players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rabster Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 The best start to a game that I've watched for a while. The full U21 game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalove Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 Neave looking very good. Needs to be playing at a higher level next year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 Just now, Rafalove said: Neave looking very good. Needs to be playing at a higher level next year. Aye, he's an entertaining watch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 On 10/04/2026 at 21:04, Ronson333 said: Shades of Ayoze Perez away at Leicester. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon No9 Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 Neave scored again today for the U21s. Would like to see him get a few cameos for the first team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 Any insight on Matheos Ferreira? Seems to have come through ranks quickly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalove Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 1 hour ago, Rafalove said: Excellent range of close passing, great touch and carrying control as well as understanding when to release the ball with a high tempo. Looks really promising Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
healthyaddiction Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Was considered a really big prospect when we signed him from Blackburn. He made his debut for them when he was 15. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John P Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Moves a bit like Tonali Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 5 minutes ago, John P said: Moves a bit like Tonali So £85m for Tonali and we just move him into the 1st team squad? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slater582 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 (edited) On 14/10/2025 at 17:07, La Parka said: What a fucking name. LESECOND YEUTEMBIP YOU'LL NEVER SING THAT Yeutembip started for England U16 in a 1-1 draw against USA in Florida this evening. I think he might actually have been Captain. Wasn't the only Newcastle player either. Jayden Kouossu scored the goal for England on his youth international debut. Edited April 16 by Slater582 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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