The Liverpool Thread

[alpal78]

I see Glen Johnson has reignited the whole handshake affair... Doh!

 

Best part was him claiming that the person who criticized him for wearing the t-shirt was racist, you could not make it up. These Liverpool players must have gone through how to make idiotic comments class!

[jdckelly]

So in his eyes paul mcgrath=racist but Suarez= culturally misunderstood. What the hell

[wormy]

How can one club be so fucking retarded ffs Why bring it up? Yeah, yeah, probably media asking him specific questions bla bla bla. That's of course the kind you decline to comment about, what happened to drawing a line under it? It's almost as if the club don't actually want to move on from it.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

What's the balloon-faced transvestite said?

[wormy]

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11669/7578678/Johnson-Evra-set-Suarez-up

 

Liverpool defender Glen Johnson claims Manchester United's Patrice Evra did not really want to shake the hand of Luis Suarez at Old Trafford last month.

 

Uruguay international Suarez seemingly refused to shake hands with Evra ahead of the Premier League clash, which the hosts won 2-1, after he was found guilty of racially abusing the defender.

 

The striker was widely criticised for the action, with both the player and club apologising for the incident after the match, but Johnson believes Evra was at fault.

 

Clever

 

"Evra was clever at Old Trafford," he told the Daily Mail.

 

"Because - I'm not being funny - but if I wanted to shake your hand I would stick it right out in front of me like that. But if my hand is down here, almost by my side, then it's because I really don't want to shake your hand.

 

"Luis didn't shake his hand because Evra's hand was down there. What else is Luis supposed to do? Would you go to shake someone's hand if their hand is way down there by their side? Course not. But then, because Luis didn't do it, Evra has pulled him back by his arm as he walked on, as if to say to everybody: "Look, I wanted to shake his hand and he didn't..."

 

"He's following Luis with his eyes as if to say: "Right he's gone, he's gone (past me) so I'll pull him back now..." Evra probably stayed up all night thinking about how to do that. The whole thing was ridiculous."

 

Liverpool wore T-shirts supporting Suarez over the racism incident as they warmed up before a game at Wigan in December, sparking plenty of backlash.

 

But Johnson feels the gesture was blown out of proportion, adding: "The evidence was Luis' word against Evra's.

 

"I'm not saying Evra is lying but it's his word against Luis', isn't it? So how did it all turn out to be so strong in Evra's favour? I work with the lad every day. There is no way he said that.

 

"With the media these days and the way it was going to be blown up, maybe the T-shirts thing wasn't the right thing to do. How should I say this? We wore them to show our support for Luis. It wasn't to send a message to everyone else. It was just for him.

 

"It seemed to come across that we were making a point. We weren't. It was the club's idea. But obviously we all agreed. We didn't really think about how people would react."

 

Criticised

 

Ex-Manchester United defender Paul McGrath used social networking site Twitter to criticise Johnson for wearing the T-shirt in support of Suarez but the Liverpool defender has accused him of racism for singling him out.

 

Johnson claimed: "The McGrath thing ... that's actually racist. Saying what he said is racist. He is only saying that to me because I was the only black lad wearing the T-shirt.

 

"He's targeting me because of my colour."

[Ash]

What a stupid cunt.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Idiotic on so many levels.

[NEEJ]

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11669/7578678/Johnson-Evra-set-Suarez-up

 

Liverpool defender Glen Johnson claims Manchester United's Patrice Evra did not really want to shake the hand of Luis Suarez at Old Trafford last month.

 

Uruguay international Suarez seemingly refused to shake hands with Evra ahead of the Premier League clash, which the hosts won 2-1, after he was found guilty of racially abusing the defender.

 

The striker was widely criticised for the action, with both the player and club apologising for the incident after the match, but Johnson believes Evra was at fault.

 

Clever

 

"Evra was clever at Old Trafford," he told the Daily Mail.

 

"Because - I'm not being funny - but if I wanted to shake your hand I would stick it right out in front of me like that. But if my hand is down here, almost by my side, then it's because I really don't want to shake your hand.

 

"Luis didn't shake his hand because Evra's hand was down there. What else is Luis supposed to do? Would you go to shake someone's hand if their hand is way down there by their side? Course not. But then, because Luis didn't do it, Evra has pulled him back by his arm as he walked on, as if to say to everybody: "Look, I wanted to shake his hand and he didn't..."

 

"He's following Luis with his eyes as if to say: "Right he's gone, he's gone (past me) so I'll pull him back now..." Evra probably stayed up all night thinking about how to do that. The whole thing was ridiculous."

 

Liverpool wore T-shirts supporting Suarez over the racism incident as they warmed up before a game at Wigan in December, sparking plenty of backlash.

 

But Johnson feels the gesture was blown out of proportion, adding: "The evidence was Luis' word against Evra's.

 

"I'm not saying Evra is lying but it's his word against Luis', isn't it? So how did it all turn out to be so strong in Evra's favour? I work with the lad every day. There is no way he said that.

 

"With the media these days and the way it was going to be blown up, maybe the T-shirts thing wasn't the right thing to do. How should I say this? We wore them to show our support for Luis. It wasn't to send a message to everyone else. It was just for him.

 

"It seemed to come across that we were making a point. We weren't. It was the club's idea. But obviously we all agreed. We didn't really think about how people would react."

 

Criticised

 

Ex-Manchester United defender Paul McGrath used social networking site Twitter to criticise Johnson for wearing the T-shirt in support of Suarez but the Liverpool defender has accused him of racism for singling him out.

 

Johnson claimed: "The McGrath thing ... that's actually racist. Saying what he said is racist. He is only saying that to me because I was the only black lad wearing the T-shirt.

 

"He's targeting me because of my colour."

From the man who stole a toilet seat from B&Q. Braindead.

[NG32]

So Evra, in Johnsons mind may have sat up all night planning on how to stitch up Suarez with a half arsed hand shake then make it look like Suarez was at fault! 

[gbandit]

You couldn't even write this shit. You think it's gone away, you think people can move on and then this idiot comes out with this. It's like people in the club are constantly trying to make sure they're the most hated club in the UK. "Wait a second lads, hands up who hasn't made a massive guff this week, Johnson, you lazy wanker. Get on the typewriter and put something together about Suarez before people think we're not complete dicks"

[Wilson]

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11669/7578678/Johnson-Evra-set-Suarez-up

 

Liverpool defender Glen Johnson claims Manchester United's Patrice Evra did not really want to shake the hand of Luis Suarez at Old Trafford last month.

 

Uruguay international Suarez seemingly refused to shake hands with Evra ahead of the Premier League clash, which the hosts won 2-1, after he was found guilty of racially abusing the defender.

 

The striker was widely criticised for the action, with both the player and club apologising for the incident after the match, but Johnson believes Evra was at fault.

 

Clever

 

"Evra was clever at Old Trafford," he told the Daily Mail.

 

"Because - I'm not being funny - but if I wanted to shake your hand I would stick it right out in front of me like that. But if my hand is down here, almost by my side, then it's because I really don't want to shake your hand.

 

"Luis didn't shake his hand because Evra's hand was down there. What else is Luis supposed to do? Would you go to shake someone's hand if their hand is way down there by their side? Course not. But then, because Luis didn't do it, Evra has pulled him back by his arm as he walked on, as if to say to everybody: "Look, I wanted to shake his hand and he didn't..."

 

"He's following Luis with his eyes as if to say: "Right he's gone, he's gone (past me) so I'll pull him back now..." Evra probably stayed up all night thinking about how to do that. The whole thing was ridiculous."

 

Liverpool wore T-shirts supporting Suarez over the racism incident as they warmed up before a game at Wigan in December, sparking plenty of backlash.

 

But Johnson feels the gesture was blown out of proportion, adding: "The evidence was Luis' word against Evra's.

 

"I'm not saying Evra is lying but it's his word against Luis', isn't it? So how did it all turn out to be so strong in Evra's favour? I work with the lad every day. There is no way he said that.

 

"With the media these days and the way it was going to be blown up, maybe the T-shirts thing wasn't the right thing to do. How should I say this? We wore them to show our support for Luis. It wasn't to send a message to everyone else. It was just for him.

 

"It seemed to come across that we were making a point. We weren't. It was the club's idea. But obviously we all agreed. We didn't really think about how people would react."

 

Criticised

 

Ex-Manchester United defender Paul McGrath used social networking site Twitter to criticise Johnson for wearing the T-shirt in support of Suarez but the Liverpool defender has accused him of racism for singling him out.

 

Johnson claimed: "The McGrath thing ... that's actually racist. Saying what he said is racist. He is only saying that to me because I was the only black lad wearing the T-shirt.

 

"He's targeting me because of my colour."

 

why not wear them in training as opposed to on telly in front of thousands then. c***.

[Guest Brynn]

The Joke about us finishing above them is soon replaced by WBA By Roy Hodgson finishing above them 

 

I would actually pay 2 weeks salary for that to happen.

[themanupstairs]

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11669/7578678/Johnson-Evra-set-Suarez-up

 

Liverpool defender Glen Johnson claims Manchester United's Patrice Evra did not really want to shake the hand of Luis Suarez at Old Trafford last month.

 

Uruguay international Suarez seemingly refused to shake hands with Evra ahead of the Premier League clash, which the hosts won 2-1, after he was found guilty of racially abusing the defender.

 

The striker was widely criticised for the action, with both the player and club apologising for the incident after the match, but Johnson believes Evra was at fault.

 

Clever

 

"Evra was clever at Old Trafford," he told the Daily Mail.

 

"Because - I'm not being funny - but if I wanted to shake your hand I would stick it right out in front of me like that. But if my hand is down here, almost by my side, then it's because I really don't want to shake your hand.

 

"Luis didn't shake his hand because Evra's hand was down there. What else is Luis supposed to do? Would you go to shake someone's hand if their hand is way down there by their side? Course not. But then, because Luis didn't do it, Evra has pulled him back by his arm as he walked on, as if to say to everybody: "Look, I wanted to shake his hand and he didn't..."

 

"He's following Luis with his eyes as if to say: "Right he's gone, he's gone (past me) so I'll pull him back now..." Evra probably stayed up all night thinking about how to do that. The whole thing was ridiculous."

 

Liverpool wore T-shirts supporting Suarez over the racism incident as they warmed up before a game at Wigan in December, sparking plenty of backlash.

 

But Johnson feels the gesture was blown out of proportion, adding: "The evidence was Luis' word against Evra's.

 

"I'm not saying Evra is lying but it's his word against Luis', isn't it? So how did it all turn out to be so strong in Evra's favour? I work with the lad every day. There is no way he said that.

 

"With the media these days and the way it was going to be blown up, maybe the T-shirts thing wasn't the right thing to do. How should I say this? We wore them to show our support for Luis. It wasn't to send a message to everyone else. It was just for him.

 

"It seemed to come across that we were making a point. We weren't. It was the club's idea. But obviously we all agreed. We didn't really think about how people would react."

 

Criticised

 

Ex-Manchester United defender Paul McGrath used social networking site Twitter to criticise Johnson for wearing the T-shirt in support of Suarez but the Liverpool defender has accused him of racism for singling him out.

 

Johnson claimed: "The McGrath thing ... that's actually racist. Saying what he said is racist. He is only saying that to me because I was the only black lad wearing the T-shirt.

 

"He's targeting me because of my colour."

 

why not wear them in training as opposed to on telly in front of thousands then. c***.

 

Suarez wore one himself as well iirc

 

Johnson made me laugh when claimed that when people go abroad, they would still use their own native slang. Yeah, right, I'd like to see your average Greek's reaction to being called an endearing cunt.

[wacko]

Tbf wacko you're a fantastic poster, and a very level-headed Liverpool fan, but I just don't understand that post at all. At least Kenny's aim is to improve the side? So Hodgson was actively aiming to drag Liverpool backwards towards mid-table?

 

It wasn't his explicit aim, but it was clearly where he was going. A side that has European aspirations simply has to play possession football (it took Ferguson a very long time to realise that), whereas Hodgson was taking us away from that. He took a tactically sophisticated and fairly skillful side and set about turning it into a bunch of typically English clodhoppers.

 

Intentional or not, the obvious place for such a side is not in the CL spots, and even if they did manage it, they'd never get anywhere.

 

Hodgson is all about (and very good at) building a side that's hard to beat. This is a very different thing to building a side to win. It's negative, destructive. To win, a side has to be positive, constructive.

 

We had enough of negative football under Houllier. It just doesn't work for clubs that aspire to the top because your opponents intend to play the same, negative football against you. To be a top side, you have to be able to go out there to win games, not just to not lose them. If you settle for the latter, mediocrity shall be your fate. That wasn't acceptable to us.

 

Wacko I don't quite agree wit the distinction betwee KD and Hodgson. To me KD is pretty defensive too as reflected in his purchase of players like Carroll, Henderson and to a lesser extent Adams who would fit more into the mould of clodhoppers thank skilfull. Even Downing is more of an English type winger who primarily tries to get crosses in as opposed to more skilful wingers like Nani, Adam Johnson and Walcott.

 

I do agree with ur view though that setting up not to lose only gets you mediocrity and to qualify for CL and challenge at the top end you need to be set up to win. This has been mine (and a few others) observation/criticism of Pardew as well. He is clearly a manager who sets up his team not to lose, hence playing a defender on the wing and limiting the movement of Cabaye from venturing too much forward either to have a pop or even arrive late in the box. Aside from the second half against Sunderland, we've not played to win for quite some time and unless this changes, results will show as we drop off from the business end of the table.

 

Oh aye, Kenny is pretty defensive, but nowhere near as much as Hodgson was. By all appearances, he really was planning to remodel Liverpool after his typical bottom-half scrapper sides.

 

I see Glen Johnson has reignited the whole handshake affair... Doh!

 

Yup. They (we?) just can't stop poking the wound

[wormy]

Did he specifically go out to have this interview? I thought it was a segment from a press conference but I picked up the mother's Daily Fail (yes I'm making a point that it's not me buying the tripe ) and there was a 2 page EXCLUSIVE spread from him about it. Seriously, why would you be such a fucking idiot?

[Shak]

Evra is an evil genius!

 

That guy getting banned on RAWK was insane like, loved how one of the mods came in and said that whining about it would only single people out for "special attention". Full on undisguised threat.

 

Makes Dave and Andy look like Keenan and Kel that place.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Evra is fucking disgusting like. First he DUPES an opposition player into racially abusing him, pursues a claim that FORCES Liverpool football club to behave like the KKK and then TRICKS Suarez into not shaking his hand! Not content with that, he slyly EXPOSES the fact the Glenn Johnson has the IQ of a fish. Total bastard, let's show Patrice Evra the red card.

[loki679]

I hope that's not sarcasm, Ian, or you'll be getting some 'special attention'

[mrmojorisin75]

Oh aye, Kenny is pretty defensive, but nowhere near as much as Hodgson was. By all appearances, he really was planning to remodel Liverpool after his typical bottom-half scrapper sides.

 

hm, massive assumption for me - for a start he wasn't given 100m to splurge, chances are he'd have done things very differently had he been

[Guest gggg]

West Brom have scored 4 more goals than Liverpool, funnily enough.

[Si]

West Brom have scored 4 more goals than Liverpool, funnily enough.

 

Justice for the five goals not scored.

[Guest bimpy474]

If an asteroid suddenly rained down from the sky and obliterated that stadium, it would be a day that would remembered for all eternity, not for being bad but for being just.

 

Feck em.

[wacko]

Oh aye, Kenny is pretty defensive, but nowhere near as much as Hodgson was. By all appearances, he really was planning to remodel Liverpool after his typical bottom-half scrapper sides.

 

hm, massive assumption for me - for a start he wasn't given 100m to splurge, chances are he'd have done things very differently had he been

 

He'd almost certainly have acted differently in the transfer market, but I don't think it would have changed anything on the pitch.

 

Sure, Hodgson's hands were tied in the transfer market (he had to sell to buy), but it's not like he inherited a crappy squad that forced him to play the way he chose to. £80m of the money Dalglish has spent came from selling players Hodgson had at his disposal, so the difference is about £40m, not £100m, and 10 points off the CL places, while by no means great, is a damn sight better 4 points off the relegation zone.

 

No, Dalglish is not doing particularly well, especially in view of how much he's spent (if only Rafa had been given that kind of backing!), but it's still a damn sight better than Hodgson did, and he was only getting worse when he got the boot.

[Disco]

Come 7th and get to the cup final, how would that go down in Scouseville?

[TRon]

Oh aye, Kenny is pretty defensive, but nowhere near as much as Hodgson was. By all appearances, he really was planning to remodel Liverpool after his typical bottom-half scrapper sides.

 

hm, massive assumption for me - for a start he wasn't given 100m to splurge, chances are he'd have done things very differently had he been

 

He'd almost certainly have acted differently in the transfer market, but I don't think it would have changed anything on the pitch.

 

Sure, Hodgson's hands were tied in the transfer market (he had to sell to buy), but it's not like he inherited a crappy squad that forced him to play the way he chose to. £80m of the money Dalglish has spent came from selling players Hodgson had at his disposal, so the difference is about £40m, not £100m, and 10 points off the CL places, while by no means great, is a damn sight better 4 points off the relegation zone.

 

No, Dalglish is not doing particularly well, especially in view of how much he's spent (if only Rafa had been given that kind of backing!), but it's still a damn sight better than Hodgson did, and he was only getting worse when he got the boot.

 

Why compare Hodgson unfavourably with Rafa when they were never given the same resources and didn't even share the same football philosophy? Maybe if Hodgson had been given those resources to mould a team he would have done better? The fact is, King Kunny has been given plenty of money and shares a similar footballing philosophy to Rafa but has wasted it on over-priced home grown crap.