Parky Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Because generations of fat people or ginger people weren't enslaved, persecuted, and had their countries invaded and overtaken by white people? Think about what you're saying. There are obvious legacy issues that we can't comprehend because we, as predominantly white folk of Anglo-Saxon descent in or region, don't have a relatively recent history of being persecuted en masse due to the colour of our skin You also need to think about what you're saying, Haidara wasn't offended by what was tweeted. I've seen people who are not black wrongly persecuted for reasons they had no control over. You seem to think that it's worse to do something to a black person which isn't hurtful to them than it is to do to others which does hurt them. There's definitely different levels, mick. Calling someone fat doesn't hark back to the enslavement of fat people for 400 years, but it hurts their feelings and upsets them. Two different things, no? Racism is a far more devastating thing than being nasty to fat people Fuck me then I'm the biggest racist in the world because Mrs Bimpy is one fat mother fucker. Being fat isn't a race. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Because generations of fat people or ginger people weren't enslaved, persecuted, and had their countries invaded and overtaken by white people? Think about what you're saying. There are obvious legacy issues that we can't comprehend because we, as predominantly white folk of Anglo-Saxon descent in or region, don't have a relatively recent history of being persecuted en masse due to the colour of our skin You also need to think about what you're saying, Haidara wasn't offended by what was tweeted. I've seen people who are not black wrongly persecuted for reasons they had no control over. You seem to think that it's worse to do something to a black person which isn't hurtful to them than it is to do to others which does hurt them. There's definitely different levels, mick. Calling someone fat doesn't hark back to the enslavement of fat people for 400 years, but it hurts their feelings and upsets them. Two different things, no? Racism is a far more devastating thing than being nasty to fat people Fuck me then I'm the biggest racist in the world because Mrs Bimpy is one fat mother fucker. Being fat isn't a race. Well she's fecking quick at getting there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 It was just a joke by the way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Not to disrespect but to bring in slavery, colonialism, oppression, genocide and outright intentional racism into a debate about a thick as pig s*** footballer who obviously meant no harm is a tad overkill. While I understand it, I think we can take what Saylor did in isolation, he hasn't done it before and shown no signs of being in any way racist. I'm not saying Saylor is a racist. But some of the images in the picture kinda harken back to some of those sentiments (the gollywog-esque face, the random African). Now I don't believe for a second Saylor intentionally put it all together like that's not an excuse. People on here are attempting to excuse Saylor because he's an idiot and doesn't realise what he's done (and he clearly hasn't/doesn't realise). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NobbyOhNobby Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 It was just a joke by the way. And a good one! Just before anyone says it, I'm not saying it's alright to be horrible to fat people Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 He's an idiot not a racist Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-more Mag Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 It's the stupidest form of attempt at humor. They're black? No fucking shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 He's an idiot not a racist But the content and cultural demarcation of that image IS racist. The FA will slam him for it and rightly so...Ignorance is no defence in the eyes of the law. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Not to disrespect but to bring in slavery, colonialism, oppression, genocide and outright intentional racism into a debate about a thick as pig s*** footballer who obviously meant no harm is a tad overkill. While I understand it, I think we can take what Saylor did in isolation, he hasn't done it before and shown no signs of being in any way racist. I'm not saying Saylor is a racist. But some of the images in the picture kinda harken back to some of those sentiments (the gollywog-esque face, the random African). Now I don't believe for a second Saylor intentionally put it all together like that's not an excuse. People on here are attempting to excuse Saylor because he's an idiot and doesn't realise what he's done (and he clearly hasn't/doesn't realise). I agree that being an idiot isn't an excuse, well I suppose it's a part excuse imo. He'll get punished and rightly so. I do wonder sometimes how people (not just footballers) still do things like that without any common sense or understanding of what there doing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chicken little Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 On a slightly related point, take note of all the white people saying they see nothing wrong with, and aren't offended by this kind of crap. What has happened is probably a joke between friends which wasn't intended as racism, one of those on the receiving end has said as much. Why should white people be offended if somebody on the receiving end isn't? Get a grip. Not really my point, old chap: my problem is with people who've probably never had to deal with racism at all telling people that have what they should/shouldn't be offended by. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 It was just a joke by the way. And a good one! Just before anyone says it, I'm not saying it's alright to be horrible to fat people I hint at it, well more out of fear as she is a big woman, hands like Andre the Giant like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 On a slightly related point, take note of all the white people saying they see nothing wrong with, and aren't offended by this kind of crap. What has happened is probably a joke between friends which wasn't intended as racism, one of those on the receiving end has said as much. Why should white people be offended if somebody on the receiving end isn't? Get a grip. Not really my point, old chap: my problem is with people who've probably never had to deal with racism at all telling people that have what they should/shouldn't be offended by. Fair point, one of my longest friends is Indian, I watched him get racially abused at school, under the guise of banter, mickey taking. Looking back it was hideous stuff and so wrong. Then I've watched my same friend get chucked out of a nightclub for being drunk and acting like a dick. Then accuse the bouncers of chucking him out because he was brown (his words at the time, not mine). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 It's just so unnecessary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Racism is not about ignorance. In any case.. I believe Taylor's compared a few of our black lads to a darkened-up man with comic Gollywogesque lips, some type of tribal African man and some other black dude for good measure. If that's not ignorant I don't know what is. If racism wasn't about ignorance, what was it about? I'm not trying to defend Taylor, he's a prick for what he's done, I'm just not convinced that he's guilty of anything more than having nowt between his ears. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 He should have included a picture of an Aga cooker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Not really my point, old chap: my problem is with people who've probably never had to deal with racism at all telling people that have what they should/shouldn't be offended by. That's fair enough, I've said as much myself that I haven't been on the wrong end of racism, I haven't been on either end of it. I think the fact that those who were on the receiving end of Taylor's poor attempt of humour weren't offended by it should put it to bed as they know the context of it. People have compared Taylor to Ferdinand, Ferdinand used "Choc-ice" as an insult, it doesn't appear that Taylor was attempting to insult anybody, although he has. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 What he tweeted was/is unacceptable because as Parky said you cannot, not in this day and age, take the piss out of people by way of their skin color, certainly not in public. But lets not get carried away here and start crediting Taylor as a racist or punish him for racism. That he posted was silly and inappropriate, and offensive. He needs to know that. But if he gets labeled a racist and punished as one that's just taking things too far. I mean there is lots of racial innuendo on here with regards the posters Mike and Oldtype... where do we stop?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Not really my point, old chap: my problem is with people who've probably never had to deal with racism at all telling people that have what they should/shouldn't be offended by. Just because someone hasn't had to deal with racism before doesn't mean they can't have an opinion on the issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 I tell you what, racism is the one thing I'd like to see kicked out of society more than almost anything, but if one thing runs it close, it is the use of the word "banter", closely followed by the idiots who use it all the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 What was going through Taylor's fucking mind when he decided to post that?! Fucking idiot. Personally think he needs to be punished for that as he's essentially given the club the wrong sort of publicity (especially when he's pretty much has it in his head that he's some sort of "Super Geordie"). Pretty sure he's not racist but what he is is a thick cunt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Basically you don't make jokes about colour, it really is that simple. And shows just how simple Saylor is to do it. Monumentally thick thing to do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Release a statement that he's sorry to have offended people and offer his week's wages to a charity for racism awareness or something, and be done with it. Personally I'm more disturbed by the fact that any hint at "racism" (by which I mean distinguishing between races of human beings, not hatred based on skin colour) still elicites this type of reaction from the general public than by his actual tweet. Whilst incredibly stupid (because of going against PC standards using a public medium) and criminally unfunny, I don't think there was any intent to offend. Much ado about nothing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 What an absolute fucking card. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Release a statement that he's sorry to have offended people and offer his week's wages to a charity for racism awareness or something, and be done with it. Personally I'm more disturbed by the fact that any hint at "racism" (by which I mean distinguishing between races of human beings, not hatred based on skin colour) still elicites this type of reaction from the general public than by his actual tweet. Whilst incredibly stupid (because of going against PC standards using a public medium) and criminally unfunny, I don't think there was any intent to offend. Much ado about nothing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Basically you don't make jokes about colour, it really is that simple. And shows just how simple Saylor is to do it. Monumentally thick thing to do. It's not really that simple. You can make jokes about colour, for example banter between a group of friends of different races. Maybe that is what Taylor is doing here, unless you talk to them you can't really know. The monumentally thick thing was publishing that photo on Twitter, a global public forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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