hakka Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Why don't clubs offer him a permanent deal over a loan? I can't see the point in keeping him if he isn't going to play given his age. He isn't going to get much better now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Why don't clubs offer him a permanent deal over a loan? I can't see the point in keeping him if he isn't going to play given his age. He isn't going to get much better now. Neither can they. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 The only possible reason to keep him is if we wanted to play in Europe and he was one of the 4 club grown players you need to register. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Exactly. Not sure what happens if he just doesn't want to stay at NUFC. How long until someone can sign him gratis? Seems kind of ridiculous that he's not able to do as he wishes. Don't see how its ridiculous, its not as if he has to turn up for training or have any involvement with NUFC. He just has to go out and find a new club and once a tribunal sorts out compensation he can play poorly for them. He's an out of contract worker who cannot work for someone else unless they pay a fee. He is neither earning, nor capable of earning elsewhere. He's basically forced to re-sign for us, on a no doubt ridiculously low ball contract. Spain abolished this kind of compo because it infringed on the footballer's right to practice his profession. I'm all for rewarding clubs that develop players, but this seems to me an excessive restraint that hurts the footballer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Exactly. Not sure what happens if he just doesn't want to stay at NUFC. How long until someone can sign him gratis? Seems kind of ridiculous that he's not able to do as he wishes. Don't see how its ridiculous, its not as if he has to turn up for training or have any involvement with NUFC. He just has to go out and find a new club and once a tribunal sorts out compensation he can play poorly for them. He's an out of contract worker who cannot work for someone else unless they pay a fee. He is neither earning, nor capable of earning elsewhere. He's basically forced to re-sign for us, on a no doubt ridiculously low ball contract. Spain abolished this kind of compo because it infringed on the footballer's right to practice his profession. I'm all for rewarding clubs that develop players, but this seems to me an excessive restraint that hurts the footballer. Obviously not going to happen in this case but it would be unfair if you spent ten years developing a player and then he just let his contract wind down and a big club comes in and the smaller club gets nothing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakka Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Why don't clubs offer him a permanent deal over a loan? I can't see the point in keeping him if he isn't going to play given his age. He isn't going to get much better now. Neither can they. good point. You'd think in Championship he would though. He's done well down there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 He was arguably our "best" winger last season. Unless we get at least one first team winger in, two if Cabella leaves or we don't trust Aarons to stay fit, we would be mad to let him leave imo. He's not of the required quality for where I want NUFC to be, but that goes for a lot of our players sadly. I would be all for an upgrade, but will we get one whilst we have Obertan and Gouffran on the books? I doubt it very much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 He can go and work in ASDA if he wants. Seriously I doubt the fee will be high and theirs a reason for it after all, to stop clubs losing the youngsters they've trained for years for nowt. If he cant find a club prepared to pay a hundred grand or so for him then perhaps he needs to look at a different career? He'll go for a couple million like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Exactly. Not sure what happens if he just doesn't want to stay at NUFC. How long until someone can sign him gratis? Seems kind of ridiculous that he's not able to do as he wishes. Don't see how its ridiculous, its not as if he has to turn up for training or have any involvement with NUFC. He just has to go out and find a new club and once a tribunal sorts out compensation he can play poorly for them. He's an out of contract worker who cannot work for someone else unless they pay a fee. He is neither earning, nor capable of earning elsewhere. He's basically forced to re-sign for us, on a no doubt ridiculously low ball contract. Spain abolished this kind of compo because it infringed on the footballer's right to practice his profession. I'm all for rewarding clubs that develop players, but this seems to me an excessive restraint that hurts the footballer. Obviously not going to happen in this case but it would be unfair if you spent ten years developing a player and then he just let his contract wind down and a big club comes in and the smaller club gets nothing I don't disagree with that, but this system is shady as fuck and IMO will only end up getting challenged by someone's legal team in the not so distance future. Also, if we really wanted to keep Sammy, we could have given him a longer contract, or offered him a better contract a few years ago. There has been plenty of time in which we were in the best position to tie Sammy up for a long time. I think this compensation malarkey has to change so that the owning club has to offer a minimum x% pay rise, or maybe change it so that it really only applies when it's an upward move through the leagues. Incidentally, the system would be fine if there weren't people like Mike Ashley, whose only interest is milking every penny out of the game, rather than building a competing football club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest antz1uk Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 like we could develop a player, we've always been shite at bringing players through/on even when Woodgate left he said he was disappointed he wasn't coached while with us, felt he hadn't been developed as a player Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henke Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Sammy's probably been at the club a decade, and the only thing he's developed is his sense of humour. Nice lad, fucking hopeless footballer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Sammy's probably been at the club a decade, and the only thing he's developed is his sense of humour. Nice lad, fucking hopeless footballer. Yet still better than Obertan and Gouffran as a winger. The shitness of our squad in a nutshell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 I thought in this situation the contract offered to Ameobi by us had to better his previous contract. That is pure FM knowledge though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henke Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Of the three I'd play Gouffran ahead of Sammy, but there's not much in it. Obertan is a lost cause, I'd start a sandwich toaster on the wing ahead of that clown. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 I thought in this situation the contract offered to Ameobi by us had to better his previous contract. That is pure FM knowledge though. I believe it does, but "better" probably means about a tenner. To a contract he likely signed when he was 12 or some shit like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Of the three I'd play Gouffran ahead of Sammy, but there's not much in it. Obertan is a lost cause, I'd start a sandwich toaster on the wing ahead of that clown. Sammy is ten times the winger Gouffran is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henke Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Of the three I'd play Gouffran ahead of Sammy, but there's not much in it. Obertan is a lost cause, I'd start a sandwich toaster on the wing ahead of that clown. Sammy is ten times the winger Gouffran is Unfortunately the sandwich toaster is ten times the winger Sammy is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Sammy isn't great but he's fucking miles better than Gouffran like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 http://www.espnfc.co.uk/newcastle-united/story/2509044/sammy-ameobi-sign-for-newcastle-then-on-loan-wolverhampton? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Of the three I'd play Gouffran ahead of Sammy, but there's not much in it. Obertan is a lost cause, I'd start a sandwich toaster on the wing ahead of that clown. Sammy is ten times the winger Gouffran is Sammy is barely ten times the player I am Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Of the three I'd play Gouffran ahead of Sammy, but there's not much in it. Obertan is a lost cause, I'd start a sandwich toaster on the wing ahead of that clown. Sammy is ten times the winger Gouffran is Sammy is barely ten times the player I am I don't even think Sammy is good but Gouffran is the worst player in our squad. Even Mike Williamson has the odd decent game. Riviere can look good in build up play, Gouffran hasn't done anything decent for around 2 years Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Sammy is much better than Gouffran like, at least in the wide position. No doubt about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Talented apparently: http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/cardiff-city-wolves-hold-face-to-face-9562653? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Talented apparently: http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/cardiff-city-wolves-hold-face-to-face-9562653? To be fair he might be really talented at pool or darts or something like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Talented apparently: http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/cardiff-city-wolves-hold-face-to-face-9562653? To be fair he might be really talented at pool or darts or something like that. He'd have to kneel down to play both. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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