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Lets not mess about here, if he signs a new deal we will all be delighted.

 

This, i dont want to see Ba leave in no situation i feel he's a great player and contributed so much to this great season of ours.

 

I personally was just discussing who i would like to bring in if he were to leave, in no way do i want him to leave though.

 

Anyone who thinks it will be easy to replace him is not all right in the head tbh, no offense.

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Personally think technically proficient, powerful, professional and tactically astute forwards with 1 in 2 records in the Premier League might be worth holding onto like.

 

The blasé attitude to losing a very good player who contributed massively to our best season in nearly a decade is mad if you ask me.

 

Yeah. This whole attitude of "not fussed, get a left winger in". People forget just how good Demba was and will be next year. Fucking brilliant player.

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That said, there's nothing wrong with being positive about moving on without him.

 

If he stays, great. If he doesn't, we will move on quick enough.

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People keep mentioning that Hoilett and Moses would fit our system better.

 

I disagree. Hoilett in particular while I think he's talented doesn't appear to me to be a particular fit to any system, because he plays the game in his own bubble. Wanders about deserting team shape and position, doesn't offer anything off the ball or going back over defensively and generally just doesn't appear to understand the concepts of a functioning team nevermind a particular system. On MOTD you'll see the stuff he tries coming off but you won't see any of the many times he gives it away through dribbling into an opposition player, playing a poor pass or when he costs the team indirectly simply through not doing the basics off the ball.

 

Moses is similar but Martinez has got him more well drilled and his work rate off the ball is superior to Hoilett's. I think they're both talented footballers who I'd like to see us bring into the squad if the price was right but I'm not sure why people see them as viable, sure-fire replacements for Ba. Both have lots of faults, are still very raw and are a long way from their peaks as players. Both are also incapable of playing through the middle and don't offer anywhere near the consistent goalthreat that Ba does. Quite simply they're just not as good or as well-rounded a footballer yet as Ba is - not even close, even if on the face of it they might appear to be rounder pegs for the 4-3-3.

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I wouldn't want to go into the new season with just Cisse anyway (as an out and out striker). Forget Best and Shola, they can't cover the void that Cisse would leave if he was injured for a long period.

 

Therefore, should Ba leave we would need another striker regardless of whether we signed a Hoilett or Moses.

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Personally think technically proficient, powerful, professional and tactically astute forwards with 1 in 2 records in the Premier League might be worth holding onto like.

 

The blasé attitude to losing a very good player who contributed massively to our best season in nearly a decade is mad if you ask me.

 

Agreed, people seem to think that good players are easy to find.

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The setup here is pretty much perfect for Ba imo. Firstly, we have the French contingent (and his fellow countryman with him); secondly, we have the potential to play some really great football with the players we have and finally the fans love him. It really looks like he loves it here too :)

 

Get him a new contract ASAP!

 

I stand by this post. Demba's going nowhere and my reasoning is above.

 

Really don't understand why some people would be content with him leaving. From the posts about him being our best striker since Shearer to what's being said now man! Fickleness ftw eh? Fucking hell.

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I don´t even know why you all are discussing this or if there any truths in this. But if it is, well go then Ba. I for one would be very disappointed with his attitude. To be honest I don´t know if he even like it´s here. Pissed offed when subbed and in the last games only playing for scoring, with a very poor overall game. And why should he piss off to another club when we has had a very good season and are building a great team.

 

I´m not confidence with all the "make Ba feel loved" bit. For me we love all the players that are playing great and is giving there best for the team. Why should everything be about this player? Then it´s better if his gone so we don´t have to build a team around one player that isn´t even our most important player.

 

Of course I would love him to stay. But not to every cost. For me, most of part, he should be the second chose behind Cisse.

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I don´t even know why you all are discussing this or if there any truths in this. But if it is, well go then Ba. I for one would be very disappointed with his attitude. To be honest I don´t know if he even like it´s here. Pissed offed when subbed and in the last games only playing for scoring, with a very poor overall game. And why should he piss off to another club when we has had a very good season and are building a great team.

 

Don't be so harsh . An attacker lives for goals man.  The man was paired with rubbish the first half of the season and was an attack by himself. That combined with the AC took all his energy. Without him we'd be a mid-table team..

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If we've got Cisse as our main striker, then it's a matter of finding the best partner or partners for him, depending on if we go 4-4-2 or 4-3-3. In both cases, that's not necessarily Ba. We've had this debate before, but IMO he doesn't have the mobility to excel in a withdrawn role.

 

So it's not a matter of who is 'better' than Ba. It's who can do a better job in the particular role that we have for him.

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If we've got Cisse as our main striker, then it's a matter of finding the best partner or partners for him, depending on if we go 4-4-2 or 4-3-3. In both cases, that's not necessarily Ba. We've had this debate before, but IMO he doesn't have the mobility to excel in a withdrawn role.

 

So it's not a matter of who is 'better' than Ba. It's who can do a better job in the particular role that we have for him.

 

Ba wasn't bad when played on the left.  We probably could get a better player to replace him on the left, I doubt we'd get a player who is better on the left and able to bang in goals like Ba when played through the middle which will happen if or when Cisse is injured or his form dips.

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Personally think technically proficient, powerful, professional and tactically astute forwards with 1 in 2 records in the Premier League might be worth holding onto like.

 

The blasé attitude to losing a very good player who contributed massively to our best season in nearly a decade is mad if you ask me.

 

:thup:

 

I could kind of understand if his goal ratio for us was a one off but he has scored a shit load his whole career.

 

Since ACN he has been shifted out of position, we have got possibly an even better goalscorer to target and despite barely a handful of bad games he has been good even if not scoring.

 

His confidence did start to look shot towards the end and he couldn't seem to do anything but there is no way we should get rid or not be bothered if he does go. He is a very, very good forward and will be a lot harder to replace than some believe imo.

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Personally think technically proficient, powerful, professional and tactically astute forwards with 1 in 2 records in the Premier League might be worth holding onto like.

 

The blasé attitude to losing a very good player who contributed massively to our best season in nearly a decade is mad if you ask me.

 

:thup:

 

I could kind of understand if his goal ratio for us was a one off but he has scored a s*** load his whole career.

 

Since ACN he has been shifted out of position, we have got possibly an even better goalscorer to target and despite barely a handful of bad games he has been good even if not scoring.

 

His confidence did start to look shot towards the end and he couldn't seem to do anything but there is no way we should get rid or not be bothered if he does go. He is a very, very good forward and will be a lot harder to replace than some believe imo.

 

This.

 

I was watching some of his goals for us, people seem to forget just how great his eye for the goal was, he could terrorize any defense. Great player, who apparently when playing badly shockingly gets upset...

 

I'd  be very annoyed to lost him, even if it is a bit of a drogba situation where he needs to be a the main man to score, he'd be great in rotation and as a sub. He probably wants his options open but doesn't mean he is going, I hope he doesn't.

 

Also his goal against Man U cannot get enough love.

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Personally think technically proficient, powerful, professional and tactically astute forwards with 1 in 2 records in the Premier League might be worth holding onto like.

 

The blasé attitude to losing a very good player who contributed massively to our best season in nearly a decade is mad if you ask me.

 

:thup:

 

I could kind of understand if his goal ratio for us was a one off but he has scored a s*** load his whole career.

 

Since ACN he has been shifted out of position, we have got possibly an even better goalscorer to target and despite barely a handful of bad games he has been good even if not scoring.

 

His confidence did start to look shot towards the end and he couldn't seem to do anything but there is no way we should get rid or not be bothered if he does go. He is a very, very good forward and will be a lot harder to replace than some believe imo.

 

This.

 

I was watching some of his goals for us, people seem to forget just how great his eye for the goal was, he could terrorize any defense. Great player, who apparently when playing badly shockingly gets upset...

 

I'd  be very annoyed to lost him, even if it is a bit of a drogba situation where he needs to be a the main man to score, he'd be great in rotation and as a sub. He probably wants his options open but doesn't mean he is going, I hope he doesn't.

 

Also his goal against Man U cannot get enough love.

 

Would Ba be prepared to tolerate being used in rotation and as a sub though? I'd like him to stay, but I'd also like us to bring in Hoilett or someone of similar ability, with a view to playing Hoilett-Cisse-Ben Arfa as first choice in a 4-3-3. As a combination, I think that would be better than what we have now.

 

I don't think Ba would put up with being pushed down the ladder, even if he played quite a few games.

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One hopes that if he does go, then the board have someone lined up, and that a sale is not a knee jerk reaction to stalled contract talks.

 

No one wants to lose there best players, but hopefully Newcastle can be trusted on this one.

 

Sewelly i agree with moses defo, gotta say though I think Hoilett would slot in well, can only base that on the games iv seen him on like.

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Apologies if this is already mentioned, but with regard to the £7m clause in Ba's contract, I'm sure in that recent Pardew interview/Q&A on Radio Newcastle, he (Pards) touched on it and said something along the lines of there is a clause, but it isn't as straight forward as you would think.

 

I'd guess it isn't as clear cut as any club simply bidding £7m, which the media keep peddling, and may hinge on a club being in a certain competition?

 

 

 

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Apologies if this is already mentioned, but with regard to the £7m clause in Ba's contract, I'm sure in that recent Pardew interview/Q&A on Radio Newcastle, he (Pards) touched on it and said something along the lines of there is a clause, but it isn't as straight forward as you would think.

 

I'd guess it isn't as clear cut as any club simply bidding £7m, which the media keep peddling, and may hinge on a club being in a certain competition?

 

 

 

there's a rumour about that it is 7million but there's agent built stuff on top making it closer to 10million.
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