ujpest doza Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 On 28/01/2013 at 17:26, Ronaldo said: Either way, there's no excuse for this shit when he hasn't communicated with our fans directly or indirectly for over 6 months. Some captain. It's less than 6 months mind. This article was late October for instance and i think it's his last interview. http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/fabricio-coloccini-my-bus-rides-to-a-brighter-life-8219006.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 He hasn't talked to the local press in 6 months. Shades of Owen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 On 28/01/2013 at 17:26, Ronaldo said: Either way, there's no excuse for this s*** when he hasn't communicated with our fans directly or indirectly for over 6 months. Some captain. I think he's been an excellent captain and I think he'll not change that while he plays for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 You attack Pardew at every given opportunity for the lack of cohesion and morale on the pitch; Coloccini not organising as he should is part of that. Great player but a poor leader. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 On 28/01/2013 at 22:15, Ronaldo said: You attack Pardew at every given opportunity for the lack of cohesion and morale on the pitch; Coloccini not organising as he should is part of that. Great player but a poor leader. Nice try at shifting some of Pardew’s failings onto Coloccini. The job of a captain these days is mainly symbolic as no team should have to rely on one player for anything once the game kicks off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 On 28/01/2013 at 22:40, Mick said: Quote You attack Pardew at every given opportunity for the lack of cohesion and morale on the pitch; Coloccini not organising as he should is part of that. Great player but a poor leader. Nice try at shifting some of Pardew’s failings onto Coloccini. The job of a captain these days is mainly symbolic as no team should have to rely on one player for anything once the game kicks off. What? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 On 28/01/2013 at 22:40, Mick said: Quote You attack Pardew at every given opportunity for the lack of cohesion and morale on the pitch; Coloccini not organising as he should is part of that. Great player but a poor leader. Nice try at shifting some of Pardew’s failings onto Coloccini. The job of a captain these days is mainly symbolic as no team should have to rely on one player for anything once the game kicks off. Not having that like. I know when you were younger the captain used to help pick the team and everything, the role is certain different to what it once was, but there's no co-incidence that teams with a weak/poorly-picked captain might struggle more than ones with a strong leader. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 On 28/01/2013 at 22:41, Unbelievable! said: What? Anybody on the pitch can help organise, talk to other players etc. The captain is no different from any other player once a game kicks off except that he can talk to the ref to argue our case if he doesn't agree with a decision. Coloccini does talk to our players during the game to give them a gee up, he doesn’t go screaming like an idiot, he just talks to them and none of our players are better than him at leading by example during the game. Up until now he’s been our best defender and he’s popped up all over the pitch in an attempt to drive us forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Heard it all before, man. Every single person who defends Colo's leadership invariably mentions screaming like an idiot. There's a lot of scope there to achieve a balance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 On 28/01/2013 at 22:45, Pilko said: Not having that like. I know when you were younger the captain used to help pick the team and everything, the role is certain different to what it once was, but there's no co-incidence that teams with a weak/poorly-picked captain might struggle more than ones with a strong leader. A poor captain could have a negative effect if he was disruptive, I probably over simplified what I said. I still don’t think being a captain these days is much other than being a figurehead. Every player on the pitch should be talking to each other, one person can only do so much. I've seen nothing to make me think that Coloccini is anything but a good captain other than his current personal problems which don't seem to be doing anything to his game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 On 28/01/2013 at 22:53, Ronaldo said: Heard it all before, man. Every single person who defends Colo's leadership invariably mentions screaming like an idiot. There's a lot of scope there to achieve a balance. I've seen him doing plenty of talking to others around him and nobody puts in more effort during a game than he normally does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 On 28/01/2013 at 23:00, Mick said: Quote Not having that like. I know when you were younger the captain used to help pick the team and everything, the role is certain different to what it once was, but there's no co-incidence that teams with a weak/poorly-picked captain might struggle more than ones with a strong leader. A poor captain could have a negative effect if he was disruptive, I probably over simplified what I said. I still don’t think being a captain these days is much other than being a figurehead. Every player on the pitch should be talking to each other, one person can only do so much. I've seen nothing to make me think that Coloccini is anything but a good captain other than his current personal problems which don't seem to be doing anything to his game. I have no complaints about his on the field captain duties, but you can't find any fault at all in a captain who wants to jump ship in the middle of a relegation fight and doesn't communicate (about this) with the fans..? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 On 28/01/2013 at 23:05, Unbelievable! said: Quote Quote Not having that like. I know when you were younger the captain used to help pick the team and everything, the role is certain different to what it once was, but there's no co-incidence that teams with a weak/poorly-picked captain might struggle more than ones with a strong leader. A poor captain could have a negative effect if he was disruptive, I probably over simplified what I said. I still don’t think being a captain these days is much other than being a figurehead. Every player on the pitch should be talking to each other, one person can only do so much. I've seen nothing to make me think that Coloccini is anything but a good captain other than his current personal problems which don't seem to be doing anything to his game. I have no complaints about his on the field captain duties, but you can't find any fault at all in a captain who wants to jump ship in the middle of a relegation fight and doesn't communicate (about this) with the fans..? Not to mention the obvious leadership void on the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 On 28/01/2013 at 23:05, Unbelievable! said: I have no complaints about his on the field captain duties, but you can't find any fault at all in a captain who wants to jump ship in the middle of a relegation fight and doesn't communicate (about this) with the fans..? I'll reserve judgement with regards to him wanting to leave. I don’t know why he wanted to go, if it was because we weren’t doing well then I’ll probably change my mind, I’ll not change it based on rumours based on nothing but tittle tattle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 On 28/01/2013 at 23:09, Ronaldo said: Not to mention the obvious leadership void on the pitch. A lack of leadership on the pitch is not and never has been down to one person. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Mick imagining posts again, not like him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 On 28/01/2013 at 23:27, Ronaldo said: Mick imagining posts again, not like him. I've imagined that we were on about Coloccini and you've just mentioned a lack of leadership on the pitch, or in your own words, a void. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 On 28/01/2013 at 23:09, Ronaldo said: Quote Quote Quote Not having that like. I know when you were younger the captain used to help pick the team and everything, the role is certain different to what it once was, but there's no co-incidence that teams with a weak/poorly-picked captain might struggle more than ones with a strong leader. A poor captain could have a negative effect if he was disruptive, I probably over simplified what I said. I still don’t think being a captain these days is much other than being a figurehead. Every player on the pitch should be talking to each other, one person can only do so much. I've seen nothing to make me think that Coloccini is anything but a good captain other than his current personal problems which don't seem to be doing anything to his game. I have no complaints about his on the field captain duties, but you can't find any fault at all in a captain who wants to jump ship in the middle of a relegation fight and doesn't communicate (about this) with the fans..? Not to mention the obvious leadership void on the pitch. You have a go at people who claim you are calling him for not balling at people on the pitch, but then judge him on 90 minutes a week? Totally disregarding everything else he has been praised for doing at the club in general. 'Leadership void' is a ridiculous statement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Who's judging him on 90 minutes a week? The lack of leadership on the field is only part of it, and a pretty big part as it happens. 'Everything else', man. The guy's been our top earner for 5 years, our captain for 18 months and would gladly walk away when we need him most. If that's leadership in your eyes you need to get out and experience a bit of the world, or look at every club that's consistently won things over the past 3 decades and take a look at who leads them out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 On 29/01/2013 at 00:21, Ronaldo said: Who's judging him on 90 minutes a week? The lack of leadership on the field is only part of it, and a pretty big part as it happens. 'Everything else', man. The guy's been our top earner for 5 years, our captain for 18 months and would gladly walk away when we need him most. If that's leadership in your eyes you need to get out and experience a bit of the world, or look at every club that's consistently won things over the past 3 decades and take a look at who leads them out. I would guess that I've forgotten more about leadership than you've ever known. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Aye, I've heard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 On 29/01/2013 at 00:25, Ronaldo said: Aye, I've heard. I'm sure you have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Mags Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 On 29/01/2013 at 00:23, Mick said: Quote Who's judging him on 90 minutes a week? The lack of leadership on the field is only part of it, and a pretty big part as it happens. 'Everything else', man. The guy's been our top earner for 5 years, our captain for 18 months and would gladly walk away when we need him most. If that's leadership in your eyes you need to get out and experience a bit of the world, or look at every club that's consistently won things over the past 3 decades and take a look at who leads them out. I would guess that I've forgotten more about leadership than you've ever known. http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/approval/grand/little_kid_approve_gif.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Ronaldo has an uncanny knack for slipping sly personal insults into football arguments. It is his gift and curse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Yawn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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