oldtype Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 He can track far back and do defensive work when needed because he has the pace and the stamina to get back to transition quickly between phases. Obviously an "average position" would not reflect this. Comparing his defensive contribution to Ronaldo solely based on this is completely ridiculous. Bale plays defense when he needs to, that's part of why he's a great player. In fact, let's quote that very same article you linked. Finally we take a quick look at the defensive contribution of each player, with Bale's unsurprisingly higher. He averages 1 tackle and 1.5 interceptions per game compared to Ronaldo's near non-existent figures of 0.5 and 0.2 respectively. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 A whole 1 tackle ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 No indication that that single tackle isn't performed high up the pitch either Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 He can track far back and do defensive work when needed because he has the pace and the stamina to get back to transition quickly between phases. Obviously an "average position" would not reflect this. Comparing his defensive contribution to Ronaldo solely based on this is completely ridiculous. Bale plays defense when he needs to, that's part of why he's a great player. In fact, let's quote that very same article you linked. Finally we take a quick look at the defensive contribution of each player, with Bale's unsurprisingly higher. He averages 1 tackle and 1.5 interceptions per game compared to Ronaldo's near non-existent figures of 0.5 and 0.2 respectively. Tracking back does not affect average position? the key word is "back" and 1 tackle a game? Wow he really does track back a lot. I mean that's a whole 0.5 more tackles than Cristiano Ronaldo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Tenuous link, but I love the story about Alex Ferguson scouting Paolo Maldini at one point when he thought there was a chance he might be able to sign him. He wanted to know how many tackles Maldini made per match, and the answer came back, "Roughly one every other game". Perfect defending Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Tenuous link, but I love the story about Alex Ferguson scouting Paolo Maldini at one point when he thought there was a chance he might be able to sign him. He wanted to know how many tackles Maldini made per match, and the answer came back, "Roughly one every other game". Perfect defending I wish more people understood this, especially in English football. Running around and getting stuck in is massively overrated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDT Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Maldini was a once in a generation type though, problem is most players don't have the ability that he had. If players with less ability didn't make tackles and get stuck in they would get a ridiculous amount of stick from the fans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Not sure how many tackles people think are made a match, but I suspect people are overestimating the statistic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Quote from: Xabi Alonso in November 2011 "I don't think tackling is a quality," he says. "It is a recurso, something you have to resort to, not a characteristic of your game. At Liverpool I used to read the matchday programme and you'd read an interview with a lad from the youth team. They'd ask: age, heroes, strong points, etc. He'd reply: 'Shooting and tackling'. I can't get into my head that football development would educate tackling as a quality, something to learn, to teach, a characteristic of your play. How can that be a way of seeing the game? I just don't understand football in those terms. Tackling is a [last] resort, and you will need it, but it isn't a quality to aspire to, a definition. It's hard to change because it's so rooted in the English football culture, but I don't understand it. Another quote from: Xabi Alonso in November 2011 "Passion?" he says. "Of course it's necessary but it's more important to have footballing foundations, certainly when developing players. Passion isn't something you work on. It's more important to construct a good team, to know how you are going to play, how to read the match. You have to truly understand the game." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Maldini was a once in a generation type though, problem is most players don't have the ability that he had. If players with less ability didn't make tackles and get stuck in they would get a ridiculous amount of stick from the fans. Not in a major footballing country other than England they wouldn't Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDT Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Unfortunately it's seen as the 'bulldog' spirit of the english, all blood and thunder. Some of the most iconic english footballing pictures from the last 30 years are Ince and Butcher covered in blood. It's seen as the english way, I'm not saying it's right but unfortunately we're stuck with it in this country. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Poor Hugo Viana had no idea what he was getting into Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Another tenuous segue: is anyone good enough on Photoshop to put a large onion (and not an enormous penis) in Mike's hands in my avatar pic? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Quote from: Xabi Alonso in November 2011 "I don't think tackling is a quality," he says. "It is a recurso, something you have to resort to, not a characteristic of your game. At Liverpool I used to read the matchday programme and you'd read an interview with a lad from the youth team. They'd ask: age, heroes, strong points, etc. He'd reply: 'Shooting and tackling'. I can't get into my head that football development would educate tackling as a quality, something to learn, to teach, a characteristic of your play. How can that be a way of seeing the game? I just don't understand football in those terms. Tackling is a [last] resort, and you will need it, but it isn't a quality to aspire to, a definition. It's hard to change because it's so rooted in the English football culture, but I don't understand it. Another quote from: Xabi Alonso in November 2011 "Passion?" he says. "Of course it's necessary but it's more important to have footballing foundations, certainly when developing players. Passion isn't something you work on. It's more important to construct a good team, to know how you are going to play, how to read the match. You have to truly understand the game." Jay Spearing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Tenuous link, but I love the story about Alex Ferguson scouting Paolo Maldini at one point when he thought there was a chance he might be able to sign him. He wanted to know how many tackles Maldini made per match, and the answer came back, "Roughly one every other game". Perfect defending just like woodgate at his best Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BDiSgSACUAAcYiE.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 surely not? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Dunno when it was from, hadn't seen it at the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Narrows it down to every club in England and France, apart from Sunderland. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 ? It's Rangers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 It's obviously Rangers. Did the Union Bears and the fact he's been buying shares not give a hint like lolololol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Is there a reason they hate him other than him buying shares? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Is there a reason they hate him other than him buying shares? Basically all the problems we've had in the past with him. Plus, think he was wanting to rename the stadium. Tbh, the problems they have, they should jump at the chance of having a rich owner (or at least someone willing to stabilise the club, even if not having massive financial input). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Dunno when it was from, hadn't seen it at the time. To answer my own question it was at a reserve game on the 19th, Rangers hadn't played for a while so assumed it was going to be a Giggs. From Facebook and Rangers forums seems most fans are pissed off about the banner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 ? It's Rangers. It was a joke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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