Parky Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 This is getting a bit boring but this is my input: Ben Arfa should be starting games, it's as simple as that. Pardew's handling of this whole affair (comments in public instead of private, etc.) is definitely one thing which I disagree with but to suggest that Pardew shouldn't be managing the club because of such a situation is quite laughable imo. This may be massive wishful thinking on my part but I'm pretty certain Pardew wants to play Ben Arfa in the team but for unknown reasons (we really don't know what's going on behind the scenes), it's simply not happening. Hmmm. Mind you though, I'll go as far as to say that I'm confident Ben Arfa has a future here. I say, let's wait and see what happens between now and the end of the season - on the one hand, the situation could improve very favourably or on the other, the situation deteriorates, ie. he doesn't get into the team even though the likes of Cabaye and Tiote are in the side. Think ole Pards is conflicted between hi energy synth pop and the flowing cream of Mozart. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 I'm with HTT on this. There is simply no logic for starting Obertan and Raylor ahead of Ben Arfa other than there is a personality clash between the 2. You agree that Pardew has no business managing this club if HBA doesn't play against Wolves? No, where have I said that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Cabaye and Saha called up, not Ben Arfa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Really hope he makes the squad for the Euro's, would be nice to see him actually live Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliGupter Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Saha FFS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Aye Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliGupter Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Every time Saha plays, a little part of me dies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Every time Saha plays, a little part of me dies. How do you think I felt? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliGupter Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Every time Saha plays, a little part of me dies. How do you think I felt? He barely played for you, which was lucky for both of us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 More importantly, it looks like he won't be starting on Saturday. Really disappointing if that turns out to be the case, will be gutted if he moves on in the summer without getting a fair crack. I'm all for Sad Taylor being a cult hero after the goal against the Mackems, but honestly having him starting ahead of a talent like Ben Arfa is an absolute disgrace. This game would have been perfect for him to get a shot starting on the right, nobody will ever convince me that Taylor starting is the right move here, even if he goes out and scores a belter and has a great game. There's something we don't know about going on, has to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 If we get into the Champions League (achievable IMO) he will stay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tunisia Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 hello I am sure now that Ben Arfa will not stay at Newcastle next year. he had a lot of teams that wanted him, but the Newcastle president had promised to have an important and especially that he would trust. Today, it is just replacing yet he trains seriously, makes no noise, and made good games. he fact of not being named in team of France while there are players who are rubbish at this point, some are in the teams ranked last. Laurent Blanc had said he needed Ben Arfa but if that player is replacing it can summon. I think between Ben Arfa and Pardews gonna be war. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Really hope he makes the squad for the Euro's, would be nice to see him actually live If players like Malouda (who is not playing with Chelsea), Valbuena, Saha or Amalfitano can make the squad, everything is possible, really, but he has to play some games by the end of the season. In Pards I (mis) trust. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Not in the training pictures. He must be leaving Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Not in the training pictures. He must be leaving train0933 Demba has already collect his shirt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 More importantly, it looks like he won't be starting on Saturday. Really disappointing if that turns out to be the case, will be gutted if he moves on in the summer without getting a fair crack. I'm all for Sad Taylor being a cult hero after the goal against the Mackems, but honestly having him starting ahead of a talent like Ben Arfa is an absolute disgrace. This game would have been perfect for him to get a shot starting on the right, nobody will ever convince me that Taylor starting is the right move here, even if he goes out and scores a belter and has a great game. There's something we don't know about going on, has to be. I agree with every word in your post. I look forward to going to see flair players and the thought of having to watch Ryan Taylor is mind numbing. At least when he's covering for an injury you can justify him getting a game, in this instance you can't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
durhamunigeordie Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 More importantly, it looks like he won't be starting on Saturday. Really disappointing if that turns out to be the case, will be gutted if he moves on in the summer without getting a fair crack. I'm all for Sad Taylor being a cult hero after the goal against the Mackems, but honestly having him starting ahead of a talent like Ben Arfa is an absolute disgrace. This game would have been perfect for him to get a shot starting on the right, nobody will ever convince me that Taylor starting is the right move here, even if he goes out and scores a belter and has a great game. There's something we don't know about going on, has to be. I agree with every word in your post. I look forward to going to see flair players and the thought of having to watch Ryan Taylor is mind numbing. At least when he's covering for an injury you can justify him getting a game, in this instance you can't. Totally agree. The only position you could make a reasonable case for Raylor being a first choice is at right back, but even then I'd still rather have Simpson. It is always highlighted that he is a dead ball specialist, but surely between Demba, Cabaye and Hatem we'd just about be able to cover a couple of corners and the odd free kick in range! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Most games you get zero freekicks within shooting distance, and even the best players only score about 1 in 10, if that. Freekicks aren't really a reason to prefer any player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Off the top of my head its only the Sunderland goal he's contributed from a set piece. He's created far more in open play....created might be the wrong word but you know what I mean. I'd still prefer HBA but I'm not losing sleep over Taylor starting because he's been more than ok Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 respectively, Raylor has had his best season in football this season. Hatem has probably had his worst one and still looked far better than Raylor and all our wingers. Cheers for ruining this Pards, you bellend Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 His delivery has been a big contributor but that's only because of how little we create through the midfield and his being there is part and parcel of that. His ability to pass and move is nil. Not having a single wide player who can deliver a ball a) naturally and b) competently is a big issue for us. I'd have him at right back too personally - for someone who makes a big deal, when it comes to Ben Arfa at least, of dropping players if he thinks they're not doing it, Pardew doesn't half give Simpson plenty of rope. As someone who is clearly our weakest link amongst the regulars, him being our only ever present just blows my mind - he's even started every cup game ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 There aren't any alternatives to Simpson though, Raylor is an abortion at fullback. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 I'd play him over Simpson against Wolves. They'll almost certainly park the bus and Simpson is obsolete in that context. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistle17 Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 His delivery has been a big contributor but that's only because of how little we create through the midfield and his being there is part and parcel of that. His ability to pass and move is nil. Not having a single wide player who can deliver a ball a) naturally and b) competently is a big issue for us. I'd have him at right back too personally - for someone who makes a big deal, when it comes to Ben Arfa at least, of dropping players if he thinks they're not doing it, Pardew doesn't half give Simpson plenty of rope. As someone who is clearly our weakest link amongst the regulars, him being our only ever present just blows my mind - he's even started every cup game ffs. In a ferking nutshell, man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 There aren't any alternatives to Simpson though, Raylor is an abortion at fullback. Can't say I've noticed a massive difference between them defensively this year, and offensively (which is just as much a part of a full back's job) it's chalk and cheese. I reckon Simpson could try 100 times under no pressure and not deliver a single decent cross. Even the chances of him managing a simple pull back like Taylor vs Bolton are zero. Seeing as Pardew played Taylor there for most of this season ahead of Santon, he obviously disagrees with you anyway, which still begs the question of why not play him at right back, or left back and switch Santon? Moral of the story: play Ben Arfa ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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