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[DJ_NUFC]

Ronaldo, would you say Tevez is similarly an assist and goal machine that Pardew would never fuck around with? For your pleasure:

 

CARLOS TEVEZ stuck the knife into sacked former West Ham boss Alan Pardew.

 

Breaking his silence for the first time, the Argentinian midfielder insisted:

 

He was STUNNED Pardew was not sacked earlier;

 

His own talents were WASTED by being played out of position;

 

Pardew STRUGGLED to manage big-name foreign stars;

 

Pardew was WRONG to ignore the talents of fellow Argentine Javier Mascherano.

 

Tevez, who could start today in his preferred role as a central striker, said: "I was surprised to see how long Pardew held on to the job in the end.

 

"In Argentina or Brazil he would have been out long ago. It was clear the team did not react as he wanted — it wasn't going right.

 

"I was never given the chances I thought I would be given and I was told to play out of position against my will.

 

"I had to sacrifice myself for the team which I don't think helped. I was playing in ways I did not understand well and I lost a lot from my own game.

 

"It didn't fit where he put me, but I wanted to help."

 

Angry

 

The stress was too much for Tevez when he was substituted in the 1-0 win over Sheffield United and he stormed out of the ground and was later forced to apologise. He said: "I was a bit angry because I was playing as the second striker and I normally play as a No8.

 

"I am here to help but playing outside of my role puts me under pressure. I didn't think Teddy Sheringham would replace me but he did, but I know now that was wrong."

 

Tevez, who scored 25 goals in 38 games for Brazilian side Corinthians, has yet to score in 13 appearances for West Ham, the worst spell of his career.

 

That has contributed to the Hammers' dismal run of 11 defeats in 17 League games, a sickening cup defeat to minnows Chesterfield and a potentially disastrous relegation fight.

 

It led to Pardew's dismissal on Monday and Curbishley's immediate appointment. Tevez, 22, insisted he and Mascherano got on well with Pardew.

 

He said: "Pardew was always asking how we were and if we needed anything and for that I am grateful. But when the match came round, he would be more distant.

 

"I don't think he had a clear idea about my game or what to do. He was good football man but more suited to coaching English teams without foreign players with big reputations.

 

"I think that was a bit of a problem for him."

 

Tevez was mystified why Mascherano — linked with a move to Juventus — was not given a chance by Pardew.

 

He said: "It was strange not to have Javier playing. Especially as the team were struggling and losing. He is a very good player, doing well in training and he just wanted to play."

[ujpest doza]

Ronaldo, would you say Tevez is similarly an assist and goal machine that Pardew would never fuck around with? For your pleasure:

 

CARLOS TEVEZ stuck the knife into sacked former West Ham boss Alan Pardew.

 

Breaking his silence for the first time, the Argentinian midfielder insisted:

 

He was STUNNED Pardew was not sacked earlier;

 

His own talents were WASTED by being played out of position;

 

Pardew STRUGGLED to manage big-name foreign stars;

 

Pardew was WRONG to ignore the talents of fellow Argentine Javier Mascherano.

 

Tevez, who could start today in his preferred role as a central striker, said: "I was surprised to see how long Pardew held on to the job in the end.

 

"In Argentina or Brazil he would have been out long ago. It was clear the team did not react as he wanted — it wasn't going right.

 

"I was never given the chances I thought I would be given and I was told to play out of position against my will.

 

"I had to sacrifice myself for the team which I don't think helped. I was playing in ways I did not understand well and I lost a lot from my own game.

 

"It didn't fit where he put me, but I wanted to help."

 

Angry

 

The stress was too much for Tevez when he was substituted in the 1-0 win over Sheffield United and he stormed out of the ground and was later forced to apologise. He said: "I was a bit angry because I was playing as the second striker and I normally play as a No8.

 

"I am here to help but playing outside of my role puts me under pressure. I didn't think Teddy Sheringham would replace me but he did, but I know now that was wrong."

 

Tevez, who scored 25 goals in 38 games for Brazilian side Corinthians, has yet to score in 13 appearances for West Ham, the worst spell of his career.

 

That has contributed to the Hammers' dismal run of 11 defeats in 17 League games, a sickening cup defeat to minnows Chesterfield and a potentially disastrous relegation fight.

 

It led to Pardew's dismissal on Monday and Curbishley's immediate appointment. Tevez, 22, insisted he and Mascherano got on well with Pardew.

 

He said: "Pardew was always asking how we were and if we needed anything and for that I am grateful. But when the match came round, he would be more distant.

 

"I don't think he had a clear idea about my game or what to do. He was good football man but more suited to coaching English teams without foreign players with big reputations.

 

"I think that was a bit of a problem for him."

 

Tevez was mystified why Mascherano — linked with a move to Juventus — was not given a chance by Pardew.

 

He said: "It was strange not to have Javier playing. Especially as the team were struggling and losing. He is a very good player, doing well in training and he just wanted to play."

Without defending or attacking Pardew here, 2 things stand out from that.

 

1. Tevez had gone 13 games without scoring and is wondering why he was hooked.

 

2. Tevez sounds very self self self in that as well saying he was upset at having to sacrifice his own glory for the good of the team.

 

Tevez's subsequent hissy fits while playing for both Man Utd and Man City don't make him a good player to quote when looking to criticise Pardew.

 

Just saying like!

 

[DJ_NUFC]

The issue is about managing flair players like Tevez and HBA, who people like SBR and Keegan would have loved and nurtured much like they did with other "self self self" players such as Robert, Bellamy, Ginola, etc.

 

I'm not defending Tevez here, but highlighting an issue that seems to have been repeated at our club.

[Yorkie]

He also went on a brilliant run of form after Pardew left which kept WHU up.

[ujpest doza]

The issue is about managing flair players like Tevez and HBA, who people like SBR and Keegan would have loved and nurtured much like they did with other "self self self" players such as Robert, Bellamy, Ginola, etc.

 

I'm not defending Tevez here, but highlighting an issue that seems to have been repeated at our club.

I seem to recall Robert being dropped by SBR and replaced in some games by Hugo Vianna and/or Olivier Bernard without much complaint from the fans either.

[DJ_NUFC]

are you simply choosing not to see any wrong being done here by Pardew?  So there is nothing in his track record that suggests he has an issue with flair players?

[ujpest doza]

are you simply choosing not to see any wrong being done here by Pardew?  So there is nothing in his track record that suggests he has an issue with flair players?

Nope.

He's a massive gobshite who loves his little self but I think people have rose tinted specs when it comes to how they think other managers we've had would manage HBA or how they managed other "flair" players we've had in the past.

It certainly wasn't all plain sailing for "flair" players under both SBR or KK as both of them expected a fair bit graft as well as guile.

[Interpolic]

Name me one flair player that he's managed well, which includes putting them in the team now and then.

[DJ_NUFC]

Agree in some ways with you.

 

However. Just finishing up my morning dump, so will be back later.

[ujpest doza]

Name me one flair player that he's managed well, which includes putting them in the team now and then.

He seemed to manage Cabaye ok and he seemed to manage to bring HBA on gently to good effect in 2011/12.

 

That isn't my issue though. My issue is people looking back at SBR and KK's teams with rose tinted specs and forgetting that they too had good times and bad times with certain players who have been compared to HBA.

 

Robert quite often got dogs abuse from the stands and in the press and then won people over by scoring a worldy.

[BrettNUFC]

Name me one flair player that he's managed well, which includes putting them in the team now and then.

 

Remy?

[TBG]

Name me one flair player that he's managed well, which includes putting them in the team now and then.

 

Jonas 

 

[Hanshithispantz]

It's weird that him and Tevez never hit it off tbh. considering how hard working he is. I/m not sure if that was much to do with Tevez being a flair player, and more to do with Pardew just being thick as fucking mince.

[KaKa]

"I had to sacrifice myself for the team which I don't think helped. I was playing in ways I did not understand well and I lost a lot from my own game."

 

The degenerating of player's games, well I never ... currently happening to every one in our team even still.

 

"I don't think he had a clear idea about my game or what to do. He was good football man but more suited to coaching English teams without foreign players with big reputations.

 

"I think that was a bit of a problem for him."

 

To quote the great man himself ... "we need more English". Go coach in the lower leagues then, or learn to adapt to the reality of most teams in the premier league.

 

"It was strange not to have Javier playing. Especially as the team were struggling and losing. He is a very good player, doing well in training and he just wanted to play."

 

Doing well in training, and still not being played, I bet this could easily apply to a number of our players. Ben Arfa and Marv for one. No doubt this was also Anita's lot for a while too.

 

[Interpolic]

Name me one flair player that he's managed well, which includes putting them in the team now and then.

 

Remy?

 

Hardly a flair player tbh.

[BrettNUFC]

Name me one flair player that he's managed well, which includes putting them in the team now and then.

 

Remy?

 

Hardly a flair player tbh.

 

Remy has a lot of flair in his game, picks the ball up and likes to beat a man and get his shots away which can bring the fans to life whenever he's on the ball.

[ujpest doza]

Name me one flair player that he's managed well, which includes putting them in the team now and then.

 

Remy?

 

Hardly a flair player tbh.

Give over, course he is.

[Lotus]

I wouldn't consider Remy a flair player. Very athletic, yes.

[TRon]

Name me one flair player that he's managed well, which includes putting them in the team now and then.

He seemed to manage Cabaye ok and he seemed to manage to bring HBA on gently to good effect in 2011/12.

 

That isn't my issue though. My issue is people looking back at SBR and KK's teams with rose tinted specs and forgetting that they too had good times and bad times with certain players who have been compared to HBA.

 

Robert quite often got dogs abuse from the stands and in the press and then won people over by scoring a worldy.

 

Robert got a lot of abuse from thick fans and TV pundits. But he got support from the man who counted, and that was Bobby Robson who didn't give a flying fuck what Trevor Brooking or some dope of a fan thought.

[Interpolic]

Name me one flair player that he's managed well, which includes putting them in the team now and then.

 

Remy?

 

Hardly a flair player tbh.

Give over, course he is.

 

Well he's a player with flair who is a piece of piss to manage. He even looked handy in that God-awful QPR team last year, in his first half-season in the best league he's ever played in.

[BrettNUFC]

Name me one flair player that he's managed well, which includes putting them in the team now and then.

 

Remy?

 

Hardly a flair player tbh.

Give over, course he is.

 

Well he's a player with flair who is a piece of p*ss to manage. He even looked handy in that God-awful QPR team last year, in his first half-season in the best league he's ever played in.

 

Well the question wasn't 'name me one flair player who is difficult to manage but Pardew has managed him well?'

 

You got an answer to your question then twist it around and say he's piss easy to manage so that don't count 

[Lotus]

Name me one flair player that he's managed well, which includes putting them in the team now and then.

 

Remy?

 

Hardly a flair player tbh.

Give over, course he is.

 

Well he's a player with flair who is a piece of p*ss to manage. He even looked handy in that God-awful QPR team last year, in his first half-season in the best league he's ever played in.

 

Well the question wasn't 'name me one flair player who is difficult to manage but Pardew has managed him well?'

 

You got an answer to your question then twist it around and say he's p*ss easy to manage so that don't count 

 

Remy's got as much 'flair' as Gouf. It's just that Remy has got a little bit more in every dept. over Gouf except perhaps out and out workrate.

 

Sammy's got more flair than Remy. Just lacking all the other things

[Flip]

I don't see Remy as a flair player either tbh.

[SEMTEX]

IMO He's a striker, put up front and told to score goals. Obviously he needs nowt more than that to be able to consistently score. I'm sure pretty much every position on the pitch needs a greater level of tactical coaching to be able to perform well in a team.

 

I'm not saying Pards should get no credit on this one, as ultimately he's got to keep all these twats happy to get them playing well. But that's a complete different kettle of fish to being able to actually give them some tactical instruction beyond "work hard, defend, hope for a goal on the counter", which is obviously what is needed if we want our midfield to look like they can create anything without just giving the ball to HBA in our own box and telling him to take it 70 yards up the pitch.

 

Fuck knows if I'm on topic here or not, but I just kept on typing.

[aussiemag]

Remy has an abundance of flair for a striker, he can beat a man one on one and is capable of making that inch of space to get a shot away, through skill and technique.