Guest Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Pix/gallery/2005/06/09/Pardew6.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howayaye501 Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 I know you should be careful what you wish for, but I've never been more desperate for an NUFC manager to get the sack. None of them have ever got to this point either. In my mind Fathead and Souness were definitely worse.....I rejoiced when they were sacked. The problem with Pardew is....who would the replacement be? What manager of any calibre would want to come here? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Pix/gallery/2005/06/09/Pardew6.jpg Wonder how many toblerones he's scoffed tonight? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 I think there's tons of managers would kill to manage NUFC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 The fans chanted his name for most of the game. He has had far too much time and leniance from the crowd at NUFC, the reaction today should have happened months ago. I do find it bizarre like, how much leeway he's getting. Can't understand it at all. I've typically been one of the first to start the Souness/Roeder Out bandwagon so I'm used to having to wait until the majority come to their senses but I've seen people who know their football on Facebook tonight saying they're "Team Pardew" I just cannot get my head round it. This form is far worse than anything we've come close to before. A combination of Ashley induced apathy and years of everything that goes wrong at NUFC being attributed to our 'unreal expectations' by media fuckwits. As I said in the success thread, over the last five years we have been conditioned to accept any old s***. Become scared shitless of venting any dissatisfaction in case we get accused of owning a bed sheet. Be it local journalists, fanzines or supporters in L7 - public criticism of the current regime has been silenced through a combination of carrot and stick. It's taken today's low point to wake some of them from their trance. The rest will no doubt carry on putting self interest ahead of the club's best interests. It matters little if AP stays or goes, he's a symptom not the cause. Sorry but I disagree. Ashley's a tight arse but it's not our recruitment policy which has led to this shambles. Granted we lack ambition but we have a squad which should be more than capable of being in the top half of the table any month of the year. There is no hiding from that, and deflecting the blame does us no good whatsoever. We managed to finish 5th last season ffs. What happened the last time we failed to build on such a promising position (Shepherd & Sir Bobby)? We finished 5th the season after 3rd. Anyone claiming that this is because of Ashley's management of the club is just trying to use it as yet another stick to beat him with imo, like there aren't enough already. Pardew needs to take the slack for this. A fair manager could have this squad top ten at least, whilst dealing with the 'unprecedented' injury troubles. We've not had injury troubles to the extent that it's turned a team of internationals that finished 5th last season into relegation fodder. And who appointed Pardew, and perhaps more importantly to this debate why? It will be interesting to see how long it takes before Ashley bites the bullet fires Pardew that's for sure. I'm not sure he would have sacked Kinnear if he hadn't had a heart attack. That's something to ponder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Nah, bollocks. I'm just catching up with the thread properly and have noticed numerous people leaping to Ian's defence as per the usual. It doesn't matter whether Ian's admitted that Pardew was in the wrong and the fans had a point. The fact that Pardew had the nerve to say that in his interview is absolutely fucking outrageous. He was responsible for the negative atmosphere when he had us playing scrappy nothing-ball after the first goal, brought Marveaux off after an hour and quite rightly the crowd had had it up to their back teeth by the time Cabaye was subbed. It doesn't matter if Ian acknowledged that, he's said "I think that's a fair comment" FFS. The manager is absolutely taking the piss by saying that in an interview, and you'd think he'd want to avoid the subject since it was his total ineptitude that got us to that low point. Instead he used it as another excuse, even though it was of his own doing. This is very fair comment, whether Pardew was wise to say what he did wasn't what I was talking about. I agree, it was unwise to even talk about the fans. But let's get it in context, it was a throw-away comment in answer to a direct question about fans booing the Cabaye sub. It wasn't an attempt to blame the fans for us losing the game. Not that this post will make any difference to anyone, carry on. Somebody asked. It was an attempt at an excuse and an attempt to make the fans look stupid. Just watching MOTD now and that incident will be discussed in isolation, the Marveaux sub and the change in style of play (i.e. shitting ourselves when we go 1-0 up, at the instruction of the manager) will probably not be mentioned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 He looks shot on that MOTD interview. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 One thing I find quite perplexing is why he isn't under any pressure at all from the media? We've seen how they love to twist the knife in to our managers in the past, yet I find it strange they're not doing that to Pardew at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Having actually heard it it's even worse, it's basically "Pah, they were booing me even though Cabaye was injured, and that didn't help me as the negativity affected those on the pitch so we ended up losing", it's fucking outrageous stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Somebody asked. :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Slippery Sam Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 I've never wanted him here and I recent results are just way beyond legitimate sacking reasons. Just one thing concerns me: Sack Pardew, lose Ben Arfa ?? The lad seems (for god knows what reasons) to really like the guy, and, if Parsnip gets the bullet, would Ben Arfa take the hump and end up getting photographed arriving at another airport? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 One thing I find quite perplexing is why he isn't under any pressure at all from the media? We've seen how they love to twist the knife in to our managers in the past, yet I find it strange they're not doing that to Pardew at the moment. Maybe he's playing the game really well and they're believing him when he says it's all down to injuries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisMcQuillan Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 One thing I find quite perplexing is why he isn't under any pressure at all from the media? We've seen how they love to twist the knife in to our managers in the past, yet I find it strange they're not doing that to Pardew at the moment. This. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Although reading those quotes I'm not really sure what he's said wrong. Nothing pisses me off more than when a crowd reacts negatively to a substitution when they literally haven't got the foggiest about the circumstances (I.e whether cabaye was injured). Marveaux going off started our downfall. He wasn't injured or playing badly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Although reading those quotes I'm not really sure what he's said wrong. Nothing pisses me off more than when a crowd reacts negatively to a substitution when they literally haven't got the foggiest about the circumstances (I.e whether cabaye was injured). The circumstances were that he had two attacking midfielders on and chose to withdraw Marveaux first. If Cabaye had gone first, nobody would have had an issue but you can't make a pre-planned sub due to fitness five minutes after you've taken off the only other player looking to do anything creative. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Cabaye jogging off doesn't suggest he was carrying a groin injury like. Had he hobbled/limped then you wouldn't have got the reaction, if he's obviously injured then the crowd see it. For him to see his number go up, jog 60 yards to the touchline, collect a coat and sit on the bench doesn't quite fit. We'll never know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Although reading those quotes I'm not really sure what he's said wrong. Nothing pisses me off more than when a crowd reacts negatively to a substitution when they literally haven't got the foggiest about the circumstances (I.e whether cabaye was injured). That being said, we need a change. I have a feeling he will still be in charge against Villa, but hopefully by then we'll have a couple of new players. I do think it is important that we have a manager in January though. It certainly wouldn't help in attracting players if we were to sack him tomorrow. Maybe waiting til the window shuts is the better way to go. It looked like we were sailing to victory with not a problem until Pardew started fucking about with things, the fans were understandably frustrated at the ridiculous decisions they were seeing. The fans have been very supportive and patient this year, home and away. First sign of a few boos after months of watching absolute shite on the pitch, and the manager's blaming it for the defeat and 2 turbo-shit youth players are having a pop on Twitter. It's not the sort of thing that breeds good relations between the 2 parties. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 It's utter bollocks that Cabaye was injured btw. I have never once seen an injured NUFC player go to the bench under Pardew. The slightest knock means they're straight down the tunnel with one of the physios. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghandis Flip-Flop Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 I also think it was taking off a creative outlet for a holding player that did it, as much as he isn't exactly liked I can't imagine the same reaction would have occurred if it had been Obertan, Sammy or Ranger coming on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karjala Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Having actually heard it it's even worse, it's basically "Pah, they were booing me even though Cabaye was injured, and that didn't help me as the negativity affected those on the pitch so we ended up losing", it's fucking outrageous stuff. aye, unbelievable listening to that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 he's down as injured on physio room (cabaye). Would that be from Pardews comments do you think or do they get their info from elsewhere? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 It's utter bollocks that Cabaye was injured btw. I have never once seen an injured NUFC player go to the bench under Pardew. The slightest knock means they're straight down the tunnel with one of the physios. It wouldn't surprise me whatsoever. If that is true and he's turned it around on the fans then he's a despicable prick. Not sure we'll ever know for sure. I'm almost convinced Cisse and Colo were fine for Brighton though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley17 Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 It's utter bollocks that Cabaye was injured btw. I have never once seen an injured NUFC player go to the bench under Pardew. The slightest knock means they're straight down the tunnel with one of the physios. I saw Cabaye signal five minutes when Jonas was down injured after that elbow incident, Cabaye went over and spoke to Pardew and then came off five minutes later. Also in the podcast Pardew admitted it was a mistake to take off Marveaux. So that's alright then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Although reading those quotes I'm not really sure what he's said wrong. Nothing pisses me off more than when a crowd reacts negatively to a substitution when they literally haven't got the foggiest about the circumstances (I.e whether cabaye was injured). That being said, we need a change. I have a feeling he will still be in charge against Villa, but hopefully by then we'll have a couple of new players. I do think it is important that we have a manager in January though. It certainly wouldn't help in attracting players if we were to sack him tomorrow. Maybe waiting til the window shuts is the better way to go. It looked like we were sailing to victory with not a problem until Pardew started f***ing about with things, the fans were understandably frustrated at the ridiculous decisions they were seeing. The fans have been very supportive and patient this year, home and away. First sign of a few boos after months of watching absolute s**** on the pitch, and the manager's blaming it for the defeat and 2 turbo-s*** youth players are having a pop on Twitter. It's not the sort of thing that breeds good relations between the 2 parties. As I said in my post above, I didn't see the game so I'm going off the Twitter feed. Didn't realise there was more to it than just taking Cabaye off. Hmm OK. Personally if I hadn't seen the match then I wouldn't comment. Amazes me when people do that on here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 One thing I find quite perplexing is why he isn't under any pressure at all from the media? We've seen how they love to twist the knife in to our managers in the past, yet I find it strange they're not doing that to Pardew at the moment. despite his "rape" comment on MOTD2, the BBC crew seem to be his mate. Had him on for the japes and tomfoolery during Euro 2012. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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