Hughesy Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Ba would undoubtedly score a lot of goals in a top 6 team like Spurs or Everton. I think people are underrating him quite a lot here - he never got a chance at Chelsea. He had plenty of chances to establish himself at Chelsea, especially in the 6 months prior to Mourinho's arrival and with a shot Torres as his only competition. Fact is he looked useless in the Premiership in front of a midfield that contained the likes of Lampard, Oscar and Mata, and only really came alive in the cup competitions. His all round game just isn't good enough. In fact, he's a p*ss poor footballer outside of the box, and needs goals to mask how mediocre he is elsewhere on the pitch. I've never really understood why so many of our fans considered Ba to be a good all-round footballer when he did the sum of sod all in general play and slowly progressed from "meh, runs into the box alright" to "can't control a ball or pass it" during that 4-3-3 period where he was out wide on the left and his confidence dropped with every goalless game. Not sure that he did get a run to be honest - I've only had a brief look but he only started 16 games in the league for Chelsea and made 17 sub appearances. That indicates to me that he didn't get a consistent run of games in his time there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Ba would undoubtedly score a lot of goals in a top 6 team like Spurs or Everton. I think people are underrating him quite a lot here - he never got a chance at Chelsea. He had plenty of chances to establish himself at Chelsea, especially in the 6 months prior to Mourinho's arrival and with a shot Torres as his only competition. Fact is he looked useless in the Premiership in front of a midfield that contained the likes of Lampard, Oscar and Mata, and only really came alive in the cup competitions. His all round game just isn't good enough. In fact, he's a p*ss poor footballer outside of the box, and needs goals to mask how mediocre he is elsewhere on the pitch. I've never really understood why so many of our fans considered Ba to be a good all-round footballer when he did the sum of sod all in general play and slowly progressed from "meh, runs into the box alright" to "can't control a ball or pass it" during that 4-3-3 period where he was out wide on the left and his confidence dropped with every goalless game. I'm not sure Remy's all round game is that much better tbh, his awareness of other players wasn't that apparent. Remy was a better player out wide and Ba was better as an out and out striker IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 I was at his first game, at home to Arsenal, and to be fair he was absolutely woeful. That continued for a few games after. The rest as they say is history. Aye, remember him being absolutely horrific against the mackems. This continued against them weirdly though (own goal, missed penalty) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 He wasn't woeful, he just needed a good feed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Must also be said only Didier Drogba has been a success as Chelsea's striker in the Abramovich era. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Frankly, I think he would have been at a bigger club than Newcastle last season if not for his trouble with the rape allegation. I'm sure he enjoyed his stay here, but probably does not see NUFC as a final destination Remy's not good enough for a team above us imo, neither was Ba. If they want to sit on the bench and get more money then yeah, but if they want to play week in and week out there's no where but maybe Everton or Spurs to go in terms of pushing near the top. The very top teams don't bother with players like that when there are clearly much better strikers that they can start or have in rotation. Remy and Ba are not and never were good enough. Remy is another level of footballer to Ba, imo. Ba reminds me more of Yakubu and Darren Bent than anyone else. His general play is poor. Remy is a much better all around footballer. Agree with this - Remy is a far better all-round player. He IS worth a better club than NUFC currently are...people don't like to face that but its true. Under Ashley and Pardew we are just perpetual also-rans and no better than the likes of Southampton ; we just get better crowds. They (well at least I) just have a different opinion. Spurs/Everton/Us is his limit in terms of a striker starting every game. At Liverpool he would work in rotation, but I don't think he's top 4 level at all like. Why do you think we are on the same level as Spurs or Everton...? I will be astonished if we finish higher than either of those clubs. Also, I reckon that alongside Sturridge, Remy would have got more goals than he managed here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Ba would undoubtedly score a lot of goals in a top 6 team like Spurs or Everton. I think people are underrating him quite a lot here - he never got a chance at Chelsea. He had plenty of chances to establish himself at Chelsea, especially in the 6 months prior to Mourinho's arrival and with a shot Torres as his only competition. Fact is he looked useless in the Premiership in front of a midfield that contained the likes of Lampard, Oscar and Mata, and only really came alive in the cup competitions. His all round game just isn't good enough. In fact, he's a p*ss poor footballer outside of the box, and needs goals to mask how mediocre he is elsewhere on the pitch. I've never really understood why so many of our fans considered Ba to be a good all-round footballer when he did the sum of sod all in general play and slowly progressed from "meh, runs into the box alright" to "can't control a ball or pass it" during that 4-3-3 period where he was out wide on the left and his confidence dropped with every goalless game. Not sure that he did get a run to be honest - I've only had a brief look but he only started 16 games in the league for Chelsea and made 17 sub appearances. That indicates to me that he didn't get a consistent run of games in his time there. Had a better goals to minutes record last season than he did the season before when he was shit hot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Linked with Ajax. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 I've always thought he'd end up at Spurs even before get loaned to us... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Ajax? He's far too good for that league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Frankly, I think he would have been at a bigger club than Newcastle last season if not for his trouble with the rape allegation. I'm sure he enjoyed his stay here, but probably does not see NUFC as a final destination Remy's not good enough for a team above us imo, neither was Ba. If they want to sit on the bench and get more money then yeah, but if they want to play week in and week out there's no where but maybe Everton or Spurs to go in terms of pushing near the top. The very top teams don't bother with players like that when there are clearly much better strikers that they can start or have in rotation. Remy and Ba are not and never were good enough. Remy is another level of footballer to Ba, imo. Ba reminds me more of Yakubu and Darren Bent than anyone else. His general play is poor. Remy is a much better all around footballer. Agree with this - Remy is a far better all-round player. He IS worth a better club than NUFC currently are...people don't like to face that but its true. Under Ashley and Pardew we are just perpetual also-rans and no better than the likes of Southampton ; we just get better crowds. They (well at least I) just have a different opinion. Spurs/Everton/Us is his limit in terms of a striker starting every game. At Liverpool he would work in rotation, but I don't think he's top 4 level at all like. Why do you think we are on the same level as Spurs or Everton...? I will be astonished if we finish higher than either of those clubs. Also, I reckon that alongside Sturridge, Remy would have got more goals than he managed here. The simple answer to that is that I don't. I think that Spurs or Everton or a team like us are his limit in terms of starting games. FWIW I personally think that at the start of last season and the season before, our players were on par with Spurs and Everton's, but that we had and have the worst manager in the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 This guy needs a new agent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 I've always thought he'd end up at Spurs even before get loaned to us... That's where he'll be by the close of the window I reckon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Don't they have to pay the larger fee also? Can't see Levy going for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Don't they have to pay the larger fee also? Can't see Levy going for that. I can see QPR dropping that clause and compromising though, especially as they've just signed another striker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waddles mullet Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Off to Arsenal I Believe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Can see it now. Wenger is an idiot if he thinks he can get through until Christmas with just Sanogo & Campbell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Off to Arsenal I Believe Remy must have been off his seat punching the air when Giroud went down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waddles mullet Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Don't you guys feel like he would have been signed for a paltry £8 million by now, if Wenger liked him? Think they'll go for someone else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderson Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Sanchez can move up top too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnes23 Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 Francois Piraux @F8Piraux 2m REPORT : QPR striker Loic #Rémy seems to be close to Chelsea. Negotiations ongoing. #CFC #QPR Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 Oh God. Vomit! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 Francois Piraux @F8Piraux 2m REPORT : QPR striker Loic #Rémy seems to be close to Chelsea. Negotiations ongoing. #CFC #QPR He gets what he wants but it will be another Ba scenario. Wasted career for the Wonga. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiLvOR Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 I think he's a bit better than Ba, but can totally see him in some random league next season after his Chelsea career doesn't take off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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