Newcastle United 0 - 3 sunderland - Post-match reaction from p58

[merlin]

 

Fans setting about other fans, when it looked it like two groups walking past each other. Bodies lying on pavement. Seeing folk get stamped on after/during a group V group ruck. People being so p*ssed and aggressive  when you touch them as your heading to the bog or bar they want a ruck. Today wasn't your normal Fri or Sat night w*****s it was more toxic.

 

Christ.

All this trouble off the field has damaged the image of our club enormously.

We appear now as if we have fans who can't take a Derby defeat, and this after we had tanked them 5-1 2 years ago, and a few years earlier, 4-1 at their place for heavens' sake....

 

Obviously, I know that as ever, this is a minority who have brought our name into disrepute but it is the majority who suffer for these things....who knows what under-the-counter deals will be done by the PL in order to punish the fans - you can draw your own conclusions and we are in a relegation battle now......

 

Fights are nothing new at Derby games , even dating back to the beginning of the 20th century, but they tended to be isolated affairs - this is something else and most of us on here will be disgusted by those who have brought disgrace on our club - the last thing we needed on a very bad day for Newcastle United.

 

No excuse whatsoever for this shambles.

[LRD]

http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/758141912.jpg

 

 

Photo: Pardew engages Di Canio in the Tyne-Wear derby.

 

“If it doesn’t work, then Di Canio is a donkey and, 'Bye bye.'

 

“But I’m sure that Di Canio is a stallion and I will deliver the right job for my players in the future.

 

 

[LRD]

Their biggest win here since 1966, innit? 1979 actually. Still

 

Think it's also some 20, 30 years since we've failed to score in a Tyne-Wear derby.

[Guest]

Their biggest win here since 1966, innit? 1979 actually. Still

 

Think it's also some 20, 30 years since we've failed to score in a Tyne-Wear derby.

 

Play-Offs in 1990? Christ.

[Guest Bert Shaft]

I usually dont get as angry or upset over football as I used to.

 

That said, after hearing Pardew trotting out the old tiredness excuses yesterday I thought same old Pardew., everybody and anythings fault but his own.

 

After finding out that this nugget was even making his tiredness excuses on Saturday in the Daily Mail, that's it, f*ck him, I want him out now.

This is unforgivable in my book.

 

 

 

Probably already posted but this article sums Pardew up perfectly for me....

 

http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/newcastleunited?cc=5739#

 

I asked a question on Friday about what a combined North East XI would look like if made up from the players available for Sunday's Tyne-Wear derby. Facebook and Twitter responses from Newcastle and Sunderland supporters agreed that nine if not ten of that 'dream' team would come from Tyneside. Sunderland fans argued that Danny Rose would be included (I agreed) and some argued that Simon Mignolet would make it in ahead of Tim Krul - I disagreed there but acknowledge its a close call.

 

This, added to Newcastle's home record in recent derby games led the Newcastle supporters to approach this game with a rare confidence. And why not? Sunderland have been utterly abysmal of late; no wins from nine games and not a single shot on goal in Paolo Di Canio's first game as manager at Stamford Bridge last week. How then can you explain the 3-0 win for Sunderland that silenced the St James' Park faithful? The Mackems' biggest on Tyneside since 1966.

 

A quick look at the Alan Pardew limited but oft-used book of excuses tells us that it was tiredness that led to such an appalling, gutless display. Tiredness because Newcastle played 90 minutes in the Europa League against Benfica on Thursday. Obviously he didn't mention the fact that before Sunday Newcastle have averaged 1.33 points per game in the league fixtures immediately following European competition, compared to only one point gained per game when they hadn't played in Europe beforehand. He also neglected to mention that four of the starting XI for the derby didn't start Thursday's game. Or that several of them haven't played a great deal of games this season for one reason or another.

 

I'd like to ask Pardew if it is tiredness that has stopped Newcastle from scoring a single goal from a corner for 18 months. Not one goal from a corner kick since October 2011. Newcastle's pathetic corner kick routines rarely even come close to producing anything.

 

Perhaps he could enlighten us as to whether tiredness is the reason behind Newcastle winning a single Premier League away game in over eleven months? The worst away record in England.

 

Maybe it was tiredness that forced Pardew to play Papiss Cisse out on the wing for such a large part of the season? Does tiredness make his team hoof the ball long as often as possible? Play Moussa Sissoko, a dominant central midfielder, up front or wide left? Play Jonas Gutierrez at left-back (or usually anywhere Pardew can fit him) whilst an actual left-back sits on the bench?

 

Personally I am seriously tiring of Pardew's excuses.

 

Sunderland won Sunday's game because their new manager managed to hit home to them how absolutely vital this game was. Not only was local pride at stake, both teams are fighting for their Premier League future too. From the first whistle Sunderland looked the team who wanted it most.

 

Many will point to the disallowed Papiss Cisse goal at 0-1 as a turning point. There is no doubt that this was another pathetic example of Premier League officials' deficiencies but there had been a lot of football played before that, in which Newcastle were second best to almost every ball and every challenge.

 

Would Newcastle have gone on to win the game if the goal had not counted? We will never know. But what we do know is that every time Sunderland broke forward they looked likely to score. The Newcastle United left midfielder, Gutierrez, who has played through a terrible season and started this one out of position at left-back had a nightmare. Who'd have thought it?

 

In summary, this game perfectly encapsulated the pathetic season Newcastle United supporters have had to sit and watch. Players out of position, questionable tactics (I'd question what the tactics were - it looked like the early game plan was to pass the ball to Sylvain Marveaux and see if he could produce some magic) and 'super fans' who won't have a word said against the manager or his players despite seeing things with their own eyes. Everything was laid out bare and Newcastle were pathetic in their most important game of all.

 

There may be even bigger games ahead. If Wigan somehow win their two games in hand, Newcastle will sit only two points above the relegation zone with home games against Liverpool and Arsenal to come, as well as away games against West Brom, West Ham and QPR. With one away win all season and a very poor record of seven home defeats, Newcastle need to improve quickly.

 

Newcastle will probably have just enough to stay up, but do I trust Pardew as the man to take the club forward next season? No.

[Cronky]

 

 

I'd agree with that. The 5th game in 2 weeks turned out to be a bridge too far, especially with the pressure of a derby on top of it. We lacked energy.

 

I'd also agree that Sunderland didn't look that great. With an ordinary amount of luck, we'd have come away with a draw.

 

This was a bridge too far?    What about the other games before that?

 

My point was that the mental and physical fatigue might have accumulated over the last 2 weeks and yesterday it caught up with us.

 

The particular player I was thinking of is Sissoko, who we've relied on a lot to give us impetus. I think he's played practically every minute of every game over the last 2 weeks, and he's steadily looked more and more tired. Not that he looked that bad yesterday, he was just unable to offer as much.

 

Supporters in the North East will be hurting over this, so I can understand the anger, but we can expect better performances from here on in.

[taxfree]

 

 

I'd agree with that. The 5th game in 2 weeks turned out to be a bridge too far, especially with the pressure of a derby on top of it. We lacked energy.

 

I'd also agree that Sunderland didn't look that great. With an ordinary amount of luck, we'd have come away with a draw.

 

This was a bridge too far?    What about the other games before that?

 

My point was that the mental and physical fatigue might have accumulated over the last 2 weeks and yesterday it caught up with us.

 

The particular player I was thinking of is Sissoko, who we've relied on a lot to give us impetus. I think he's played practically every minute of every game over the last 2 weeks, and he's steadily looked more and more tired. Not that he looked that bad yesterday, he was just unable to offer as much.

 

Supporters in the North East will be hurting over this, so I can understand the anger, but we can expect better performances from here on in.

 

Alreet Pards.

[Guest P.Aimar10]

Someone posted the picture on my ex's wall. s*** gets around.

She hasn't changed then.

 

AHAHAHAHAH

[Al Moody]

The pic of the bloke fighting the horse has made it to Reddit, one of the bigger sites around for memes and such.

 

http://i.qkme.me/3twlo1.jpg

 

 

I know it's bad but I can't stop laughing at this picture. What a mug.

[Stuy_O]

Was embarrassing that yesterday. Starting to sink in now and i'm absolutely fed up.

[Al Moody]

I kept off the internet and away from the tv after the match yesterday, I couldn't deal with it.

 

Came into work today and everyone's walking on egg shells around me, as if I personally went rioting and chinning horses.

 

Anyway, it'll take a while to shake those images of DiCanio celebrating like that on our field. It was an utterly gutless performance, and I don't know how we can bounce back from this to get the points we need from West Brom. I'm predicting 3 points from the remaining 5 games.

[Dr Venkman]

I think I needed this defeat to shake me out of being consistently confident in the build up to every derby. I promise I'll consider other factors in future, such as who's giving our team instructions. Sorry lads.

[Stuy_O]

I was amazed by the pre match confidence in honesty. We produced exactly what I suspected they would.

[TRon]

I was amazed by the pre match confidence in honesty. We produced exactly what I suspected they would.

 

I honestly thought the pressure would be too much for them but Di Canio's posing and strutting soon blew that out of the water.

[taxfree]

I'll always be confident against the mackems. Really thought we'd avoid a loss, but I guess I underestimated/"forgot" how poor of a manager Pardew really is.

[ponsaelius]

I'll always be confident against the mackems. Really thought we'd avoid a loss, but I guess I underestimated/forgot how poor of a manager Pardew really is.

 

Like I said in the other thread, today was a culmination of NUFC under Pardew. We've played like that many times at home and either got away with a result or only been narrowly beaten. Today was the extreme performance and result that has simply been coming for a long time, and its happened against that lot. Completely unforgiveable.

 

(I'm just completely ignoring away form, for some reason that seems to have no bearing on the home crowd's opinion of the manager)

[Dr Venkman]

I'll always be confident against the mackems. Really thought we'd avoid a loss, but I guess I underestimated/"forgot" how poor of a manager Pardew really is.

 

This is it, I did feel slightly at odds with my attitude towards this game and my thoughts on our team/manager. But I elected to just plough on with my usual confidence in these fixtures. I couldn't have been more wrong, I just thought there was no way Pardew wouldn't be able to send them out motivated and that the individual ability would win the game in this particular fixture.

 

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

 

Pardew can ruin anything.

[Hughesy]

I haven't been on the forum since the game so haven't really followed what has been said previously.  Aside from whether Pardew should still be our manager and general anger at our performances this season as a whole, I genuinely don't think that 3-0 was a fair reflection of the game.  If Cisse's goal has stood, I am fairly certain that we would have won that game.  I fully expect to have a load of people asking if I was at a different game etc etc, but I stand by the fact that our performance did not merit a 3-0 defeat.

 

Thought it was interesting to see that the Sunderland players that seemed most keen on 'taunting' the NUFC fans were Johnson and Colback.  Didn't see what Graham was doing...

[merlin]

I haven't been on the forum since the game so haven't really followed what has been said previously.  Aside from whether Pardew should still be our manager and general anger at our performances this season as a whole, I genuinely don't think that 3-0 was a fair reflection of the game.  If Cisse's goal has stood, I am fairly certain that we would have won that game.  I fully expect to have a load of people asking if I was at a different game etc etc, but I stand by the fact that our performance did not merit a 3-0 defeat.

 

Thought it was interesting to see that the Sunderland players that seemed most keen on 'taunting' the NUFC fans were Johnson and Colback.  Didn't see what Graham was doing...

You need to remove those specs you borrowed from Pardew - they were by far the more dangerous side and could easily have scored more ; Taylor lucky to escape a pen award for shirt-pulling in the box for starters...

 

We were second best in every department bar goalkeeper, mainly due to Pardew's lousy selections and hopeless, outdated tactics.

 

Whilst he remains at the club, there will be more days like these.....

[Hughesy]

I haven't been on the forum since the game so haven't really followed what has been said previously.  Aside from whether Pardew should still be our manager and general anger at our performances this season as a whole, I genuinely don't think that 3-0 was a fair reflection of the game.  If Cisse's goal has stood, I am fairly certain that we would have won that game.  I fully expect to have a load of people asking if I was at a different game etc etc, but I stand by the fact that our performance did not merit a 3-0 defeat.

 

Thought it was interesting to see that the Sunderland players that seemed most keen on 'taunting' the NUFC fans were Johnson and Colback.  Didn't see what Graham was doing...

You need to remove those specs you borrowed from Pardew - they were by far the more dangerous side and could easily have scored more ; Taylor lucky to escape a pen award for shirt-pulling in the box for starters...

 

We were second best in every department bar goalkeeper, mainly due to Pardew's lousy selections and hopeless, outdated tactics.

 

Whilst he remains at the club, there will be more days like these.....

 

Fair enough - was at the game with my dad who has wanted Pardew out from the start (even after last season) and he agreed/brought it up so I don't think 'Pards specs' are really relevant.

 

Obviously saw the game completely differently.  If Cisse's goal stood and we went into the last 25-30 mins at 1-1 (having been on the ascendancy), I can't see us losing that game.

[Stuy_O]

I'v stuck up for him in the past but yesterday was the game for me - we had so many incentives going into that game and they completely bottled it. The disallowed goal probably would have changed it but we've had loads of luck this and last season so I guess it's gonna even itself out and in a game of that magnitude.

 

My biggest fear all week leading up to this game was our manner in approaching it. I know you can't start every game hell for leather but if we had come out yesterday and stamped our authority on them they would have crumbled like all the sunderland teams of the past. Our start gave them hope of getting something and once they took the lead we were in real shit - we needed to score first. The home team in derbies have to set the tone.

 

The manager is looking more clueless with each passing fixture - the players look devoid of confidence aswell as looking completely paggered, and the continued season long lack of urgency in games is really worrying. The team also lacks character - maybe harsh but it's abundantly clear. We mock the likes of Barton and Carroll but I would have had either of them on the pitch yesterday.

[SiLvOR]

Winds me up how shit Johnson is, yet he still produced a quality finish because none of our lot could even be arsed to close him down. Mugs.

[TheHoob]

Winds me up how s*** Johnson is, yet he still produced a quality finish because none of our lot could even be arsed to close him down. Mugs.

 

Yep did nothing all day then we let him waltz in and do the one thing he's good at 

[Lush Vlad]

The only consolation for me is that I don't live in the NE and I hopefully won't have to see any of her mackem family for a long while.  Never felt so low after a game and I think I include Villa away in that.  At least the relegation was expected and was coming all season. 

 

Feel for anyone that has the misfortune of having to work with mackems or live in split areas.  Would kill me listening to them go on about it.

 

Oh and to the fan that booted the metal railings over, that nearly crushed a small child.  You are a cunt and you're not cool for wearing your snap back on backwards. 

[Skeletor]

Still feel so sick today. How Pardew has survived this is ridiculous. My confidence in the team is completely gone.