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Cajun

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Souness used to spout as much guff as Pardew does 'We need proper players', 'You want players to go in to the trenches with you', 'You won't win any thing with 11 James Milners' etc... Difference being we only had to put up with it for about a year and a half.

 

The primary difference being Pardew had a season where he overachieved. The Sourness area was miserable from start to finish.

 

We had two decent cup runs under Souness. In fact we haven't had a good domestic cup run since that FA cup campaign :(.

 

We had a good UEFA cup run under Pardew this season and imo were desperately unlucky to go out when we did.

 

Souness also drove out our two best players, had a transfer budget that blew every other team out of the water (iirc, maybe one or two equalled it/spent more) but somehow took a champions league level side and turned them into strugglers.

 

I know things seem worse when it is actually happening but Pardew has a long way to go to be compared to Souness in my book.

 

Disagree with the bit in bold. Leaving yourself twenty minutes to get 2 goals was always going to fail when we're such a poor attacking team. That debate has been done to death any way.

 

And of course Souness was worse than Pardew. I'm sure every one remembers my views on Adolf Mussolini Souness :huff:

 

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I no fan of Pardew but to say Souness was better than him is just ridiculous imo. Souness took a Top 5 team from the cusp of the CL, to relegation certainties - after spending £50m on it.

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I no fan of Pardew but to say Souness was better than him is just ridiculous imo. Souness took a Top 5 team from the cusp of the CL, to relegation certainties - after spending £50m on it.

 

While pushing out the two most creative players in the team, sorry I keep banging on about it but Souness really did what Pardew has done this season but also had a very public falling out with Bellamy and Robert and shifting them for practically nothing. He also never achieved anything like what Pardew did in his first full season*. Those two would walk into our side now and be our two best players by some distance imo.

 

 

*Just to re-iterate, I am gutted he hasn't been sacked because I think he has one game plan that has failed and has shown too often he has no balls/no way of getting results without it. I just think Souness was worse by some distance.

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I no fan of Pardew but to say Souness was better than him is just ridiculous imo. Souness took a Top 5 team from the cusp of the CL, to relegation certainties - after spending £50m on it.

 

While pushing out the two most creative players in the team, sorry I keep banging on about it but Souness really did what Pardew has done this season but also had a very public falling out with Bellamy and Robert and shifting them for practically nothing. He also never achieved anything like what Pardew did in his first full season*. Those two would walk into our side now and be our two best players by some distance imo.

 

 

*Just to re-iterate, I am gutted he hasn't been sacked because I think he has one game plan that has failed and has shown too often he has no balls/no way of getting results without it. I just think Souness was worse by some distance.

 

Thing that's pretty balanced.

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It's like debating which one out of two lumps of dog s*** on the pavement looks better...

 

It doesn't really matter, they're still lumps of s***.

 

Both inept managers, employed by different owners.

 

You just wonder why there has been such lack of imagination in the choices of management in recent history at not just our club but the northeast as a whole.

 

Boro's choices shocking, sunderlands history of clowns, us beside KK and Robson. 

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:lol: I see everyone is still on their rags in this thread. I bet there isn't this much whining on Mumsnet ffs!

 

Aye :lol:

 

 

It's like reading RAWK at times.

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mostly good points from supermac , a couple of things the local press have been too spineless to mention themselves. but shola staying?????

 

 

 

 

Malcolm Macdonald: Don’t use Reds as a benchmark

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Malcolm Macdonald wonders why Newcastle United should be looking to follow in Liverpool’s footsteps

 

 

 

   

 

   

 

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Jonas Gutierrez lies on the ground in pain during the game against Liverpool Jonas Gutierrez lies on the ground in pain during the game against Liverpool

 

 

Alan Pardew, it would seem, wants us to look to Liverpool as Newcastle’s blueprint.

 

Well, Liverpool have just finished seventh in the Premier League and the Magpies were fifth a year ago, so who wants to be who?

 

Liverpool, by the way, are desperate to get into Europe, while Newcastle pin a lot of the blame for a catastrophic season on the tiredness brought about by traipsing around the Continent.

 

When they were fifth-top, United played some scintillating football but the same players were a pale imitation in the campaign just ended. The fall from grace was shocking.

 

And none more so than Jonas Gutierrez, who did well a year ago but was dreadful last time around. He didn’t contribute a thing, yet was played repeatedly. At times it looked as though the manager would play him anywhere rather than drop him.

 

It’s hard to tell what will come next from players who have gone up and down like yo-yos.

 

For example, in 2011-12 everything Papiss Cisse hit flew into the back of the net. He could do no wrong. It was all typified at Chelsea when he scored that wonderful goal from way out on the touchline.

 

However, what a different tale it has been since. Cisse couldn’t reach double figures in the Premier League.

 

No, he’s not as good a footballer as Demba Ba, which means he has to be scoring goals to make a significant contribution. Of course he would point out that he’s suffered from a lack of support and he has a point.

 

Even United’s better players, Yohan Cabaye and Hatem Ben Arfa, have laboured at times.

 

Cabaye has often been reduced to hitting long balls up to Cisse, who has been isolated, and so everything broke down.

 

As for Ben Arfa, he has to be careful he doesn’t become just a trick player. He has to get more consistency in his game and learn when to do certain things and when not.

 

At his very, very best I have always thought that he would fit perfectly into Arsenal’s footballing side. However, I think Arsene Wenger will have gone off him last weekend. An old coach of mine used to say that beating one man was good, beating two was great, but trying to beat three was a droppable offence. In other words, don’t overdo it.

 

Yet Ben Arfa repeatedly ran down cul-de-sacs against the Gunners, got the ball taken off him, and sat dejected on his backside.

 

There is much restoration work to be done this summer, but while the question on every Toon Army fan’s tongue has been about who should be bought, I believe Pardew must decide who to sell first. There is plenty of dead wood and that only clogs up a club.

 

Danny Simpson and Steve Harper have already gone, their contracts having run out, but who else should go?

 

Gabriel Obertan for a start. He’s been a real waste of money. I don’t even know if he’s interested. There then is Dan Gosling, way back in the pecking order, and kids who must also be judged.

 

For example, I would let Shane Ferguson and Sammy Ameobi leave. They won’t be Newcastle class.

 

Ferguson tries hard and Sammy has ability to go with being as tall as a house, but neither looks like becoming top-class.

 

I would keep Shola merely as a back-up striker, but I would let Sammy get away. The lad scored a good goal at Middlesbrough but then disappeared and they were awful.

 

I believe that unless he is careful Yoan Gouffran will also become expendable in a couple of seasons unless he has more that he has not yet shown us.

 

Pardew has so much work to do, the club having not done it a year ago. What happens in the close season will shape the immediate future of Newcastle United without question.

 

In an interview with JOHN GIBSON

 

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Souness>Pardew

 

Now that's something you need to think very well before stating it.

Kind of agree though :lol:

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