Kid Icarus Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 Don't think anyone's disputing that, just looking at his time there overall which is clearly and obviously a net positive Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 It totally is a failure but it shouldnt be forgotten that the team was built on a mid championship budget. He overachieved last season this is reversion to where he ought to be. He totally should have spent money to bolster the squad and his tactics are mad and lacking in pragmatism. I just think it's sad when we can't celebrate someone who is totally bonkers with some great ideas but yes very flawed. There's so much money at stake in premier league everything is meant to be super slick and free of eccentricity. Forgive me for enjoying him, and he is a legend because he has had a huge impact on football. We are living with the dominant ideas in football very much influenced by him. There is a reason he has not won anything himself though which feels plain to see now. He has earned respect though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 Going against the grain clearly, but it just feels like the likes of Bielsa (and Rangnick) are yesterdays men. They initiated great things which the likes of Klopp, Pep and Poch have taken on, but haven’t grown and evolved with the game like those younger managers have with their ideas. They’ll still get respect for what they do and how they want to play, but going up against other teams and managers with more complete philosophies shows them up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, Manxst said: All I’m saying is that ‘attack, attack, attack’ means fuck all when you’re about to be relegated and are getting humped every week. A truly world class manager would change things/his philosophy to accommodate the players he has at his disposal. I can see the appeal, and rate the first season he had…but teams have worked out his one dimensional style now, and to me, that’s a failure on his part. He's not "attack attack attack" though. He's quite similar to Klopp, in that he wants his teams to press high up, and with a lot of intensity. I would personally disagree with your assessment that a world class manager changes his philosophy to accommodate the players, it's the complete opposite for me. Would you see a Pep, Klopp or Rafa change their philosophies to suit their players? Not a chance. He's not a world class manager though, and I don't think anyone would claim that he is. He's a good manager, probably about on par with the likes of Hassenhüttl. His methods are far more entertaining than most other managers though, which is why he's so popular. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, Manxst said: On the budget? They’ve brought in zero money from player sales and spent a fair amount. How much money did he bring in getting Leeds promoted? He could bring in money selling his best players for sure, is that what a Leeds fan would want? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, TRon said: How much money did he bring in getting Leeds promoted? He could bring in money selling his best players for sure, is that what a Leeds fan would want? Not what I’ve said. For the money he’s spent, I’d have disliked being a Leeds fan this past month. As others have said, I think he’s outstayed the position now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 5 minutes ago, Manxst said: Going against the grain clearly, but it just feels like the likes of Bielsa (and Rangnick) are yesterdays men. They initiated great things which the likes of Klopp, Pep and Poch have taken on, but haven’t grown and evolved with the game like those younger managers have with their ideas. They’ll still get respect for what they do and how they want to play, but going up against other teams and managers with more complete philosophies shows them up. Ragnick is doing a pretty terrible job at Man Utd mind. I feel like every team that play Man U have a great game. They are making it too easy to play against them. We played arguably our best game this season against them, and would have beaten them comfortably had Wilson and ASM stayed on the pitch. I am very, very happy we ended up with Howe over Ragnick now like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 Man Utd situation is weird, going for a manager who really seems like he wants to be a director, and they know he won’t be manager soon. Guess we know how short real managers were when we needed one, but it’s a strange one for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abacus Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 Think Leeds should have stuck with Bielsa till the summer at least, then reassessed depending on what league they were in. There's not much you can do re personnel now, and I reckon they are so drilled into a certain way of playing that it will be hard to change it fast. And, they're running out of games to get safe, so there isn't time to learn how to completely change things. E.g. imagine taking a punt on someone like Allardyce, and how long it would take the team to adapt to his 'pragmatic' anti-football. A shame, I liked to watch Bielsa and his style of football - it was an interesting addition to the league and he seemed a genuine character. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 Allardyce going to Leeds would be as popular as Brian Clough's reign there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 54 minutes ago, neesy111 said: Allardyce going to Leeds would be as popular as Brian Clough's reign there. Would love a sequel to The Damned Utd Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 3 hours ago, Nobody said: Ragnick is doing a pretty terrible job at Man Utd mind. I feel like every team that play Man U have a great game. They are making it too easy to play against them. We played arguably our best game this season against them, and would have beaten them comfortably had Wilson and ASM stayed on the pitch. I am very, very happy we ended up with Howe over Ragnick now like. And yet he's only lost 1 league game in 14, strange old game innit. And like you, much happy we ended up Eddie like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiseman Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Not that I think he would leave celtic at the moment, but I'd like to see Ange Postacoglu be given a shot in the premier league, and I think he would do a good job following on from Bielsa, plus if they do go down I reckon he'd be able to bring them back up pretty quickly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 I desperately want to see Kjetil Knutsen manage a bigger club to see if he truly is a miracle worker or if his magic is a right club at the right time type of magic or proper magic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Huge appointment for Leeds. Wasn't Biesla universally loved at Leeds? Will be a huge kick in the balls for their morale. Will be hard for whomever comes in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 11 hours ago, Dinho lad said: Yes, he got them up (eventually), but so what? Hughton's done that too. Hughton is rated justly but Bielsa is a bit overrated. But anyway, this is not about Leeds solely; Bielsa's career is defined by' half-done' jobs. He got them up after making the playoffs and then winning the league comfortably. No other manager at Leeds had done that since they were relegated He then kept them up comfirtably last season and was on course to do the same this season until the last few weeks He got two Leeds players into the England squad too. I'm not sure how that's a 'half done job'? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 (edited) Bielsa gone- breaking on Sky. edit- sacked, not resigned. Edited February 27, 2022 by Manxst Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cf Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 That just cements their relegation doesn't it? My main worry for Leeds was he built them to play in such a way and when he transferred the reins they would struggle. To do that during a relegation fight seems mental. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Seems Jesse Marsch will replace him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Just now, The Prophet said: Seems Jesse Marsch will replace him. He any good ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackyboy Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Bad timing, they could have had Steve Bruce Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 1 minute ago, SUPERTOON said: He any good ? Don't know much about him beyond his short spell at Leipzig, but he was disappointing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Similar philosophy to Bielsa - not sure what he can do with this squad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Should've gone for Bob Bradley tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Randy March, football manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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