The Managerial Merry Go Round™

[Pandamninator]

5 hours ago, Kid Icarus said:

Have no sympathy whatsoever for Potter mind. This is one of the most obvious turn of events you could predict in world football and he's a complete fool for leaving the situation he was in to go to fucking Chelsea. 

 

No manager has ever suffered for crashing and burning at Chelsea.  Without fail they've pocketed a dump truck full of money and walked into another top flight gig that was at a higher level than the job they had prior to Chelsea.

 

Only a fool would've stayed at Brighton in that situation.

 

 

Edited April 3, 2023 by Pandamninator

[FinnMag]

Chelsea is just a big mess. Their player recruit and manager policy is pure lunacy.  Otherhand, Potter`s faith remind me of Moyes in ManU and Hodgson in Liverpool. Some managers just work better with smaller clubs. 

[WilliamPS]

Potter has just made an absolute fortune, and was genuinely terrible at the job, so zero sympathy from me

[Dokko]

8 hours ago, Kid Icarus said:

Have no sympathy whatsoever for Potter mind. This is one of the most obvious turn of events you could predict in world football and he's a complete fool for leaving the situation he was in to go to fucking Chelsea. 

 

True, but he probably earned more in those 7 months than he has in his entire football and managerial career combined, maybe 2 or 3 times with the payoff.

 

 

[Froggy]

He had lego pieces from 10 different sets fired at him and told to build a skyscraper.

 

He was absolutely doomed the moment he took the job. I don't think his stock will take a massive hit. Will walk back into another PL job.

[Tiresias]

Was never going to work, sorry managing a big ego squad like chelsea is a different job than managing an underdog side with no expectations. This is not to diminish doing the latter, as embarassing as it must be for him how great brighton have been since he left he did a great job. No doubt Potter has fantastic attributes but I don't think there is a more difficult dressing room traditionally than the chelsea one, and it stays as such due to the ludicrous spending policy. IF they wanted to become a team focusing on playing style they should have given potter a sympathetic sporting director who will work with him on targets and built a team around him, rather than super stars. But that doesn't bring in the marketable money. 

 

They will bring in Naglesman i suspect who will do the same thing as with bayern in that do ok for a while then lose the dressing room, cos thats what dressing rooms at these clubs do, they have won everything, the manager who comes in hasn't so why should they listen to him? Zidane would be a sensible shout for them but doubt he'd come

[gbandit]

That Chelsea job is poisoned, they aren’t going to ever build consistency and now there is too much competition and well run clubs in the league. Get fucked Boehly

[The College Dropout]

5 minutes ago, Tiresias said:

Was never going to work, sorry managing a big ego squad like chelsea is a different job than managing an underdog side with no expectations. This is not to diminish doing the latter, as embarassing as it must be for him how great brighton have been since he left he did a great job. No doubt Potter has fantastic attributes but I don't think there is a more difficult dressing room traditionally than the chelsea one, and it stays as such due to the ludicrous spending policy. IF they wanted to become a team focusing on playing style they should have given potter a sympathetic sporting director who will work with him on targets and built a team around him, rather than super stars. But that doesn't bring in the marketable money. 

 

They will bring in Naglesman i suspect who will do the same thing as with bayern in that do ok for a while then lose the dressing room, cos thats what dressing rooms at these clubs do, they have won everything, the manager who comes in hasn't so why should they listen to him? Zidane would be a sensible shout for them but doubt he'd come

They largely haven't signed superstars.

[Dokko]

Aye, these Chelsea players are hardly superstars, just a gaggle of cunts who believe their own price tag.

 

 

[jack j]

Whos going to be the first manager to go in the new thread then...

Cooper is the only one of 2 left from the Start of the season from the bottom 10 teams so I'll go him after a couple more forest losses

[The Butcher]

If they'd signed two 50m strikers and not Mudryk they'd be competing for CL places imo.

 

 

[Kid Icarus]

4 hours ago, Pandamninator said:

 

No manager has ever suffered for crashing and burning at Chelsea.  Without fail they've pocketed a dump truck full of money and walked into another top flight gig that was at a higher level than the job they had prior to Chelsea.

 

Only a fool would've stayed at Brighton in that situation.

 

 

 

 

Even if that's true, which I'm canny dubious about tbh, how is 'not suffering' for inevitable failure a selling point? I don't think his reputation is really untouched by this either. He's gone to a job at the top level and failed, with some now saying he's not cut out for that level. Do you think that he's got as much chance of the Spurs job now as he would have had if he'd just stayed at Brighton?

 

I don't get how anyone can think it was ever a good decision by him like. It completely flipped my opinion on his decision making for me. 

[Kid Icarus]

10 hours ago, rgk_lfc said:

 

The reputation of a manager in football is very volatile. It only takes one wrong transfer or a couple of injuries to key players for a club like Brighton to slide, and immediately the envious looks from some of the more established clubs disappear.  As much of a basket case Chelsea are, I don't blame him for accepting the job. 

 

Look at Eddie Howe. I posted here the summer before you were taken over that Eddie's achievements at Bournemouth is one of English football's great stories. There was not a lot of enthusiasm toward him at that time on here. I don't know the details of your managerial search, but my impression is that if Unai Emery had shown a strong interest in the Newcastle job, there is a good job Eddie Howe might still be in the managerial wilderness. Correct me if I am wrong.  

 

 

I think the trepidation about Howe was fair tbh. We were all fearful of going down, there was an expectation of Rafa coming as part of the takeover who we had experience of as a safe pair of hands playing pragmatic, hard-working, tactically astute football. Then we had just missed out on Emary who is imo the modern equivilent of Rafa.

 

Howe was the club's next choice and at the exact opposite end of the scale to those other two in terms of football philosophy™ so that alone was a worry. The expectation from fans with Howe was that we would probably be good going forward but leaky at the back. Of course the devil is in the details and I think once fans looked into what he'd done, watching documentaries, talking with Bournemouth fans etc, those fears turned to excitement and we were for the most part all on board. I always say this, but for me he had me at 'a lot of you are stood still. Standing still's no good, you've got to move' during that first training session video. 

 

There was also the sense of the unknown - no one, not even Howe, knew that the time he'd spent working on his weaknesses would work out so incredibly well. Literally becoming one of the best defences in Europe over the past season and a half.

 

I don't think Howe was in the wilderness though, he was constantly being linked with jobs and (just as Potter should have done with Chelsea imo) he turned down the Celtic job because it wasn't right. He wasn't allowed his own backroom staff and that for him was a dealbreaker. Meanwhile Potter walks away from a job where his stock is high into a job where the owner is playing Football Manager above his head. I get people not blaming him, but for me it was always a completely insane decision tbh. 

 

 

Edited April 3, 2023 by Kid Icarus

[Stottie]

The xG table I posted says Chelsea should have seven more points since Dec 1 based on chances created.

Add just five to their total, and they would be level with Brighton with two more played. 5 behind Tottenham off the same games. That's not a "big mess". The big mess is Boehly.

In case anyone has forgotten, Tuchel's team won the CL in May 2021 and finished third last season (21/22).

 

In the PL, Tuchel's record was Played 63  Wins 35, Draws 17, Losses 11 For 109 Against 55. That's 1.93 points a game and nearly +1.00 GD per game. It will surpass whoever finishes third this time. He was sacked with them in sixth with 10 points off six games.

https://www.premierleague.com/managers/15566/Thomas-Tuchel/overview

 

[KaKa]

This Chelsea thing is incredible ... they have spent £600 million on players and so far Enzo and Badiashile look good, and not even necessarily outstanding.

 

The most exciting of the signings has probably been Felix but he's only on loan. Genuinely struggling to understand how they did such a poor job with that £600 million.

 

It's absolutely delightful all of this. The pressure to now get the next manager appointment right is immense. And it's looking like it will be a very tough decision, as I don't see any guarantees out there, especially with how messy things are at the club.

[SUPERTOON]

 

[Mazzy]

De Zerbi 

[TRon]

10 hours ago, Optimistic Nut said:

Potter will be fine. Could even see him getting a pretty good job on the continent. 

 

He'll get another chance at a PL club at some point. You don't produce the football he was turning out at Brighton by luck. Come on, if the likes of Lampard and Gerrard have been considered talented home grown managers, surely some club will give Potter another crack at it.

[KaKa]

4 minutes ago, Mazzy said:

De Zerbi 

 

They have no shame man 

 

Hope Brighton charge them £50 million this time around, if they go for him.

[Disco]

Chelsea and the Spuds shopping in the same markets. 

[The College Dropout]

The Villa boy and the PSV lad look real talents to me.

 

Chelsea have looked bad whenever i've seen them.

 

IMO keeping him is the equivalent of Arsenal keeping Arteta when they finished 8th. If they had fired him, he could have had no complaints. Sacking him just shows Chelsea don't have that much faith in him. Edu & Arteta hitched themselves to each other and it has paid off in the long-run.

[Gaztoon]

5 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

They have no shame man 

 

Hope Brighton charge them £50 million this time around, if they go for him.

 

 

50m and potter back .. laughing to the bank

[Ben]

How many current Premier Leagues teams don't have a full time manager ? 

[midds]

They'll probably just hire all 4

[Kid Icarus]